thats ok rolf
your version may still be correct
& i still dont think we can be sure of much yet
even with the maps
indeed if anybody is sure of anything at all here
i wish they would indicate exactly what it is
& especially why they are sure of it
the only things i have seen or heard so far that i think we can
probably count on are that the coats of arms on the 3 obelisks
face toward & are equidistant from the tripoint
but i dont even know yet if all 3 obelisks are even intervisible
or if there is any point from which you can even see all 3 at once
so as to get an approximate or trial location for the tripoint
before checking it with measurements
the creeks & other markers may possibly mark the boundaries
but i dont think we actually know about any of that yet for a fact
the detail map appears to indicate at least one of the creeks
by a directional arrow alongside one of the apparent border lines
& it may thus even indicate both creeks & their junction
& so it may even be depicting the tripoint at or as that junction
but i am not certain this would be a correct reading of the map
of course if we could place the 3 obelisks on the map
or even just place them in a sketch
that might help corroborate things
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Rolf Palmberg
<rpalmber@a...> wrote:
> You guys really managed to confuse me for a couple
> of days, but Mike's sketch helped me revisualise
> the scene and yes, my pic #5 therefore cannot be
> the PlSk border; it's entirely slovak territory no doubt.
>
> Meaning, of course, that I cannot be sure whether my
> version of the actual tripoint is correct, either. :-)
> As Jesper said, it would have helped a lot if we had had
> the maps depicted earlier with us.
>
> Good work!
>
> Rolf
>
>
> At 03:58 26.3.2004 +0000, you wrote:
> >Jesper - I agree - I think you have the situation correct
regarding
> >picture 5. Witness marker on the SK side.
> >
> >--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
<jesniel@i...>
> >wrote:
> > > I just want to apologize for making such a post and not
verifying
> >before
> > > pressing send.
> > >
> > > Mike is offcourse right.
> > >
> > > Picture 5, is still not showing any border as Rolf claims, the
tp
> >monument
> > > and red hat marker is entirely on SK soil.
> > >
> > > Jesper
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@y...>
> > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:01 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think the 1st three pics are CZ instead of SK.
> > > > Because the Sk monument was across the larger of the
2
> > > > streams and all by itself.
> > > > Picture 2 - the small marker was actually on the CZ-PL
> > > > border - direct marker here.
> > > > Picture 5 - my initial guess was that it looked along
> > > > CZ-PL and that it was the PL marker. So now we have
> > > > three different possibilites here! Really this is a
> > > > confusing pic for me. Perhaps it looks at the SK
> > > > marker from the tp? But this would not be along a
> > > > border, just SK territory.
> > > >
> > > > --- Jesper Nielsen <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > > > I have already written to the site authors
> > > > > requesting a better quality map,
> > > > > plus the other tripoints. Still wating patiently.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am very interested in seeing especially CZPLSK in
> > > > > a better scale, as I too
> > > > > find it difficult too see what's going on, even
> > > > > after being their in person.
> > > > > I don't recall all spots.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please find enclosed the CZPLSK map with my arrows.
> > > > > The blue arrow shows the
> > > > > angle of which the photo on
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
<http://pikomat.mff.cuni.cz/fotky/tabor/1996/f01/24hrcava.html>htt
p://pikomat.mff.cuni.cz/fotky/tabor/1996/f01/24hrcava.html
> > > > > was taken.
> > > > >
> > > > > The red arrow show where I believe I was sitting
> > > > > pointing to the ground
> > > > > facing south, which probably is not the tripoint
> > > > > judging from the map. Looks
> > > > > like it's further east. But it's a very difficult
> > > > > tripoint because it's
> > > > > inside forest and down a valley. It would have been
> > > > > nice to have known this
> > > > > map before we went there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rolf's site gives a good view af all three tp
> > > > > markers at
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
<http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/BordersCRPS.htm>http:/
/www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/BordersCRPS.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > picture 1, the PL tp marker left, SK right. Facing
> > > > > south. The crew is
> > > > > walking N on the path going up a long the border to
> > > > > the road.
> > > > >
> > > > > picture 2, closeup on the PL and SK tp markers. I
> > > > > wonder if Mike Kaufman
> > > > > noted what the small red hat markers said.
> > > > >
> > > > > picture 3, closeup of SK marker
> > > > >
> > > > > picture 5, I think Rolf is wrong here. This is
> > > > > facing S from the TP and show
> > > > > the CZ tp marker. I remember the red hat marker
> > > > > still said CS, so I must
> > > > > have been an indirect marker from CSPL.
> > > > >
> > > > > picture 6, looks very different from mine??
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a picture facing east from the tripoint (or
> > > > > where I belived it was).
> > > > > Want to see it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesper
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "acroorca2002" <orc@o...>
> > > > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:37 PM
> > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK
> > > > > border maps
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper
> > > > > Nielsen"
> > > > > > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> >
<http://www.atlaskrajiny.sk/sk/myimages/2_sub_2.jpg>http://ww
w.atlaskrajiny.sk/sk/myimages/2_sub_2.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > these are lovely
> > > > > > & i wish their 2 remaining sister diagrams will
> > > > > arrive soon too
> > > > > >
> > > > > > of course atczsk is the greatest charmer
> > > > > > having been selected as point 2 on gcebe
> > > > > >
> >
<http://www.geocities.com/graenser/tripoints>http://www.geocitie
s.com/graenser/tripoints
> > > > > > & then again as point 1 on geebe
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
<http://www.geocities.com/graenser/geebe/tripoints.htm>http://w
ww.geocities.com/graenser/geebe/tripoints.htm
> > > > > > with some apparent improvement
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the other diagrams are harder for me to see &or
> > > > > read tho
> > > > > >
> > > > > > for example could you show on the czplsk diagram
> > > > > > where you are situated in the geebe point 2 pic
> > > > > above
> > > > > > & where the monuments shown in the link below are
> > > > > situated
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
<http://pikomat.mff.cuni.cz/fotky/tabor/1996/f01/24hrcava.html>htt
p://pikomat.mff.cuni.cz/fotky/tabor/1996/f01/24hrcava.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > which btw i found at your site too
> > > > > >
> > > > > > & what is the cause of my double vision on 2 of
> > > > > the vectors in the
> > > > > > athusk diagram
> > > > > > aka gcebe point 3
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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