Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] source of rio grande etc<br/>
Date: Jan 31, 2004 @ 01:18<br/>
Author: Lowell G. McManus (&quot;Lowell G. McManus&quot; &lt;mcmanus71496@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-362246390">Mike,<br/>
<br/>
You asked:<br/>
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<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; or can anyone say if this rio source or metasource point was perhaps<br/>
&gt; specified in the mxtx1836 treaty as the summit of canby mtn<br/>
&gt;<br/>
&gt; rather than the point to which the mainstream could be traced<br/>
&gt; experimentally<br/>
&gt; even above its headspring<br/>
&gt; to the crest<br/>
<br/>
 </span></blockquote>The May 14, 1836 MXTX agreements called the &quot;Treaties of Velasco&quot; specified<br/>
little as to boundaries.  They did provide for the withdrawal of the Mexican<br/>
army beyond the Rio Grande, and the Mexican dictator promised to work toward a<br/>
treaty of limits to provide that Texas would not lie south of the Rio Grande.<br/>
These &quot;treaties&quot; were never made official by either party.  See<br/>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/TT/mgt5.html">http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/TT/mgt5.html</a> .<br/>
<br/>
The Texas claim to the Rio Grande as the boundary was formalized in a statute<br/>
passed by the Congress of the Republic on December 19, 1936, which declared the<br/>
boundary to be the Rio Grande from its mouth to its source, and from there<br/>
northward to the 1819 treaty line, etc.<br/>
<br/>
So, that is the basis for the MXTXUS tripoint of 1836-1845 somewhere in modern<br/>
Wyoming.<br/>
<br/>
As to which of the several tributaries in eastern San Juan County, Colorado, is<br/>
the true source of the Rio Grande, I have no firm opinion.  Every time I&#39;ve<br/>
found a detailed map naming one of them &quot;Rio Grande,&quot; I find another map naming<br/>
the same as some creek or other and a different one as &quot;Rio Grande.&quot;  Not even<br/>
all USGS maps agree.<br/>
<br/>
Lowell G. McManus<br/>
Leesville, Louisiana, USA</div>