----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:50
PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
roundabouts
Do roundabouts that are created by crazy drivers
count?
I seem to recall going on a circular drive around the marker for
Yugoslavia-Hungary-Romania in a white van.
It was driven by a certain
Austrian and filled with people from places like Finland and America.
I
believe it was the GEEBE in 2002.
In essence, you could exit into any one
of the three countries.
However, I believe the entire journey was illegal.
And, there was no road either... :)
On Monday,
January 26, 2004, at 07:30 AM, Peter Smaardijk wrote:
More of those in the same neighbourhood: the roundabouts
on/near the
locations of former DENL markers 230, 231 and 232 (Eef's
site,
http://members.lycos.nl/grenspalen/gp-depruis-nl-228-238.html
).
Peter S.
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Doug Murray
<doug@d...> wrote:
>
> And in keeping with our border
theme, here is an international
> roundabout on the German -
Netherlands border in Kerkrade,
> NL/Herzogenrath, DE.
>
>
http://grenzen.150m.com/kerkradeGB.htm
>
>
Thanks, BK!
>
> Doug
>
> On Monday, January 26,
2004, at 02:25 AM, bwhyte@u... wrote:
>
> > Even in gridded
streets roundabout are indeed useful. They do not
have
> > to be
large. where two small residential streets cross here in
> >
Melbourne, a small roundabout only a few metres across might be
> >
installed. It eases traffic flow considerably. In LA where
two
streets
> > crossed, one would have stop or give way/yield
signs on both its
arms
> > and the other would flow freely. Or
sometimes all 4 arms of the
> > intersection would have stop signs.
In LA this meant the first
car to
> > the intersection had right
of way. Here in Australia 4 arms with
stop
> > signs means the
first car gets right of way then everything
behind him
> > also,
with everyone else giving way to the right.
> > But by adding a
roundabout, it allows everyone to slow, and go
round,
> > coming
off where they want. No more cars turning right blocking
lanes
>
> when they give way to through traffic.
> >
> >
Roundabouts are traffic calming measures and might be large
ones
used
> > where major roads meet, like in the posted
pictures, or just
small
> > ones on fairly quiet local streets
requiring no more room than
the
> > streets already used before
the roundabout was built.
> >
> > I recall someone in LA
mentioning California didn't have
roundabouts
> > for some legal
reason: fear of crashes when people couldn't use
them
> >
properly, and so the city didn't want the liability.
> >
>
> I believe in France, ie Arc de Triomphe, the roundabout
traffic
gives
> > way to incoming traffic. Hence the infamous
gridlocks there.
> >
> > Here in Australia/NZ,
incoming gives way on the right to traffic
on
> > the
roundabout, just as at any other intersection.
> >
>
>
> >
> > I've seen roundabouts that are no more than a
tyre size in
diameter
> > (one, in Malaysia i think, was just
that: a tyre around a pole in
the
> > middle of the
intersection, more of a fender/bumper for the pole,
than
> > a
roundabout!
> >
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> >
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