Subject: Re: burma, thailand
Date: Jan 26, 2004 @ 17:21
Author: David Harleyson ("David Harleyson" <bambooze@...>)
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> Great account Brendan. Thanks.reach their
>
> I hope there will be photos for us later.
>
> Jesper
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bwhyte@u...>
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> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 7:17 AM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] burma, thailand
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> > Greetings,
> > I have been offline while overseas in Burma and Thailand.
> >
> > In Thailand I made daytrip to Laos and Cambodia, and tried to
> tripoint.divide
> > the N. Cambodian border runs along the edge of the cliff/drainage
> between it and Thailand. Generally the mountains here (hills really)slope
> gradually down on the Thai side, and drop off abruptly in a cliff on thethe
> Cambodian, so the drainage divide is the top of the cliff.... Except at
> Pra Vihaar temple, which the ICJ awarded to Cambodia in 1962. Thetemple
> sits atop the cliffs, and in 1962 Thailand vacated 24ha of land here.But it
> has since slowly pushed the boundary southwards, and currently its bigdown a
> sealed road to the temple ends abruptly and one has to walk 100m
> slight slope to a gate near a small gully. Upon crossing through thegate
> and across the gully one is in Cambodia. Here is a small market andsthe
> beginning of a long lfight of stairs that forms part of the temple, andCambodia
> leads up to the temple on the clifftop (with great views).
> > Thailand now claims right up to the bottom of the temple stairs.
> claims the real border is much further north, so there are no boundarybe
> pillars here, only a stretch of no mans land, ocupied currently by the
> Thais. The gully forms a good natural boundary here and appears to
> considered the de facto boundary.Agian I
> >
> > Otherwise the cliff face descending into Cambodia is the boundary.
> saw no pillars along the cliff face further back from the temple, but itland
> makes an interesting natural boundary, as the cliff often overhangs
> below it, making for a non-vertical plane boundary. And as tojurisdiction
> over rock climbers.. who knows.heavi
> >
> > Apart from the temple itself, the disputed land around the temple is
> ly mined, so there was no question of wandering around off thecleared paths
> looking for pillars! This also deters the locals fomr corssing away fromthe
> lockable gate on one side of the gully!Ratchathani,
> >
> >
> >
> > At the Laos-Thai border crossing of Chong Mek, east of Ubon
> there appear to be no pillars either. There is a fence made of oldgates,
> wire etc, separating two markets. On the Lao side a large air con dutyfree
> shop sells French, Chillean and Australian wine, cigrattes, etc. It istextiles,
> surrounded by thatched huts selling Chinese wines, pirated CDs,
> Lao wine and beer, etc. One can freely wander into Lao here to themarket
> (officially there is a 10Baht fee), but a visa is needed to proceedfurther
> into Laos.no
> > From the Lao side crossing into Thailand seems free, and as most
> westerners get a free 30day permit upon arrival in Thailand, there is
> problem. Vehicles cross fairly easily too it seems. It is possible to hirea
> car in Thailand, in Ubon, and drive it across for the day, even as far asboundary
> Pakse, with a valid visa (obtainable at the border).
> > I asked about pillars, but apart from km posts, and highway land
> posts, there are none visible. The Lao guard said the pillar next to thehad said
> road gate was currently away for repair/replacement. The Thai guard
> the pillar was broken, but pointed towards the gate, suggesting it waslying
> there, but it wasn't. The boundary seems agreed upon here, but the250k
> scale Thai topo of the area is not available for sale from the ThaiSurvey,
> due to disputes somewhere nearby (4 other boundary sheets withMyanmar are
> also restricted due to boundary disputes). I suspect there are pillarsalong
> the other land sections of the Thai-Lao boundary, but haven't seenany.
> > Past the market, the fence seems to disappear, but it was gettyinglate,
> so we werre unable to wander along the boundary either side of themarket.
> >4WD only.
> > The Lao/Cambodia/Thai tripoint appears to be accessible, but by
> Termed 'the emerald triangle', we were able to follow tourist signspointing
> to it along provincial highways, until an army checkpoint at a turnoff.The
> officers said there was a road up the mountain to the tripoint, and mygovernmental
> friend remembered visiting it a few years back with an official
> party, but the road required a 4WD even in the dry season, so our carwas
> unsuitable to try.had had a
> > The army didn't seem to have objections to our going there if we
> 4WD, though the issue of landmines/UXO remained to be considered.
> >
> > Brendan
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