the more i think about this cyprus situation
the more it seems that the green line
whatever its full length may originally have been or may now be
is historical only & is not an actual part of the present de facto
reality by which our 4 de facto tripoints have been determined
these have referred & i think should continue to refer only to the
meeting points of the edges of the buffer zone with the sba
& it seems whatever observations may have been made regarding the
tripoints formed by the green line & by misplaced ethnic quarters
etc etc
as well as regarding the indistinctness & looseness of such points
will not at all necessarily be applicable to our 4 actual de facto
military tripoints
& based on the best maps we have seen
i think we can still expect all 4 of these tripoints will be found to
be quite crisp & distinct & unambiguous
if anyone can ever reach them before the landscape of cyprus is
transformed
from partly de facto back into entirely de jure
which could be soon
so hurry folks
unless you think looking for these rare & precious jewels as ghost de
facto tripoints will be any easier
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@i...>
wrote:
> This document describes a proposed CYKK boundary line:
>
> http://www.cyprus-un-plan.org/AnnexVI.pdf
>
> The Famagusta map can be seen on
ftp://194.154.157.107/MapofFamagusta.pdf. I
> don't know what the purple line represents, perhaps a municipality
line, for
> it's not the bufferzone.
>
> Jesper
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@i...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
>
>
> > There is also a border line on this map:
> > http://www.cyprus-un-plan.org/MapofFamagusta.pdf
> >
> > but I cannot see anything else. What is this line?
> >
> > Can anybody see the other maps at http://www.cyprus-un-
plan.org/map.html??
> >
> > Please let me know.
> >
> > Jesper
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "m06079" <barbaria_longa@h...>
> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:07 PM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
> >
> >
> > > good
> > > i am content with that
> > > whether he means it literally
> > > or is figuratively replacing the line with the buffer zone
> > > no matter
> > >
> > > so it seems to me the 4 most major de facto tripoints we have
always
> > > known & loved on cyprus should remain completely unaffected by
the
> > > complication of a green line that has purely historical meaning
& no
> > > longer any actual military force
> > >
> > > & moreover by a green line whether real or metaphorical that
may or
> > > may not fall within the buffer zone in the moments of
tripointing
> > > truth
> > >
> > > but still cant be sure
> > >
> > > need to see the right map
> > >
> > > it could be a real issue or a non issue
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
<jesniel@i...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > "The Green Line is no longer a line on the map of Nicosia,
it's a
> > > line on
> > > > the whole map of Cyprus." from
> > > http://www.kypros.org/Lefkosia/line.htm , the
> > > > homepage of the Nicosia municipality.
> > > >
> > > > I think it can be hard to define the true meaning of the Green
> > > Line, and I
> > > > think the above statement represents my understanding well.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "m06079" <barbaria_longa@h...>
> > > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:35 PM
> > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > the line between turkish & greek military forces at least in
> > > nicosia
> > > > > at the time of the cease fire
> > > > >
> > > > > dont know if the line extends anywhere beyond nicosia tho
> > > > > i mean except as followed by the buffer zone itself
> > > > >
> > > > > do you
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
> > > <jesniel@i...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you understand by the "Green Line"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jesper
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "m06079" <barbaria_longa@h...>
> > > > > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:12 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Meynell
<knm@m...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >the implications for tripointing are still unclear
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have yet to find a map that plots the lines of
control in
> > > an
> > > > > > > accurate
> > > > > > > > enough way to determine points of any kind. I walked
both
> > > sides
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > buffer zone in Nicosia, and followed the line (on the
> > > > > Greek/British
> > > > > > > side)
> > > > > > > > in a few areas elsewhere in Cyprus, and think you
could only
> > > > > draw a
> > > > > > > > definitive border by noting the placement of
barricades on
> > > the
> > > > > > > ground.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In some places such as the Roccas bastion/Paphos Gate
area
> > > of
> > > > > > > Nicosia, you
> > > > > > > > could probably pinpoint a CYKKUN tripoint with
reasonable
> > > > > accuracy,
> > > > > > > but in
> > > > > > > > other areas these can probably only exist in the
> > > imagination.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > yes i can certainly appreciate that there might be
triareas
> > > > > rather
> > > > > > > than exact tripoints
> > > > > > > tho it might be even more fun in those cases
> > > > > > > to try to get a precise fix on the triangle of
uncertainty
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have also been thinking that because kokkina has no
green
> > > line
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > only a buffer zone
> > > > > > > the green line may be less definitive of reality
somehow than
> > > the
> > > > > > > neutral zone
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but be that as it may
> > > > > > > it seems to me the 4 primary tripoints we have
previously
> > > > > identified
> > > > > > > do continue to hold up
> > > > > > > even if they should melt down a little into triareas
> > > > > > > & even if they should also get splayed a bit farther
apart
> > > > > > > in the event that the green line fell outside the
buffer zone
> > > at
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > sba conjunctions
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > for we dont know those 2 critical details yet do we
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but i think the same 4 old tripoints or triareas where
the
> > > > > buffers
> > > > > > > meet the sba are probably still the primary ones in
reality
> > > > > > > approximately anyway
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > any other views
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kevin Meynell
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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