Subject: Re: daily caus line
Date: Nov 10, 2003 @ 16:00
Author: acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
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> Point 44: akbcytlong
> possible pic (?) at:
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/91730697/91731942vAvrvw
> However the caption does say "Flags at international border --
> Alaska/Yukon Territory" omitting BC. Yet still, the flags of the
> Yukon, British Columbia, and Alaska fly there with the two national
> ones. Can not see any bordermarkers. Can anyone who has been here
> confirm or deny this as the tp (area)?
> -Mike K.
> ps - I like Point 11 if it exists - would be even sweeter if it
> existed in a canyon...
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, michael donner <m@d...> wrote:
> > in view of the lingering uncertainties about the status of many
> canadian
> > american tripoints some comprehensive reassessment of them is
> overduelike
> >
> > & yet such a try will surely also be premature in relation to the
> > additional new information that is imminently expected
> >
> > but ongoing revision is likely to be necessary for a long time to
> come anyway
> > so no harm & hopefully some benefit in the following full
> inspection tour
> > which already contains many new observations & surprises since
> yesterday
> >
> > i confess i have been trying to ignore this topic & have kept my
> head in
> > the sand about it for as long as possible because it has been very
> > inconvenient & i know some parts of it or even all of it is not
> > particularly palatable to several of us but it already seems
> the catto
> > is out of the bag with nothing for us to do about it but face up
> > whatever we find the truth to be herecanada
> >
> >
> >
> > international trisubdivisional points of the united states &
> > progressing generally westward from atlantic to pacific &northward
> to arcticwaters
> >
> > confirmed
> > 01 cameus canada maine united states
> > at 3 mile limit in grand manan channel
> > approx 1 mi se of 44n7958 x 66w9428
> > no known visits
> >
> > confirmed
> > 02 camenb
> > or camenbs canada maine new brunswick south
> > at navigational & tidal head of st croix river
> > between calais me & st stephen nb
> > formerly named crmenb
> > in midstream at tip of white water
> > class c visit recorded
> >
> > doubtful
> > 0a camenbn canada maine new brunswick north
> > at n terminus of menb survey line
> > where it meets r bank of st john river at mlw
> > between grand falls nb & hamlin me
> > & very near ne corner of me
> > grand falls just below probably disqualify it
> > by ruling out federal waters
> >
> > probable
> > 03 menbqc maine new brunswick quebec
> > in beau lake of st francis river
> > where nbqc survey line meets caus survey line
> > falls below probably do qualify it
> > by ruling out federal waters
> > class c or b visit recorded
> >
> > excluded
> > 00 canbqc canada new brunswick quebec
> > not intl but possibly a 33rd internal canadian
> > at w terminus of nbqc survey line
> > where it meets l bank of beau lake
> > falls below probably disqualify it tho
> > by ruling out federal waters
> > class c or b visit attributed
> >
> > doubtful
> > 0b cameqc canada maine quebec
> > at ne terminus of meqc survey line
> > where it meets r bank of st francis river
> > falls below probably disqualify it tho
> > by ruling out federal waters
> >
> > confirmed
> > 04 menhqc maine new hampshire quebec
> > dry
> > class a visit recorded
> >
> > confirmed
> > 05 nhqcvt new hampshire quebec vermont
> > in halls stream unnavigable
> > class b visit recorded
> >
> > probable
> > 06 caqcvt canada quebec vermont
> > at w terminus of qcvt survey line
> > where it meets r bank of richelieu river
> > nw of alburg vt
> > navigation extended by the chambly canal
> > class d visit known
> >
> > probable
> > 07 canyvt canada new york vermont
> > where caus survey line meets nyvt boundary end
> > in middle of lake champlain of richelieu river
> > navigation extended by the chambly canal
> > class d visit recorded
> >
> > probable
> > 08 canyqce canada new york quebec east
> > at e terminus of nyqc survey line
> > where it meets l bank of richelieu river
> > ne of rouses point ny
> > navigation extended by the chambly canal
> > class d visit known
> >
> > probable
> > 09 canyqcw canada new york quebec west
> > at w terminus of nyqc survey line
> > where it meets r bank of st lawrence river
> > at akwesasne mohawk capital st regis qc
> > class c visit recorded
> >
> > excluded
> > 00 nyonqc new york ontario quebec
> > once thought to exist in mid st lawrence
> > probably precluded by federal waters
> >
> > excluded
> > 00 canyone canada new york quebec east
> > precluded by federal waters
> >
> > probable
> > 10 canyonn canada new york ontario north
> > at r bank of mouth of niagara river
> > unnavigable from falls to mouth
> > unexpected location
> > class d visit known
> >
> > uncertain
> > 11 canyons canada new york ontario south
> > at r bank of head of niagara river
> > or its end of navigation above falls
> > unexpected & uncertain location
> > no known visits
> >
> > probable
> > 12 canypa canada new york pennsylvania
> > in east central lake erie
> > formerly construed as nyonpa
> > no known visits
> >
> > probable
> > 13 caohpa canada ohio pennsylvania
> > near middle of lake erie
> > formerly construed as ohonpa
> > no known visits
> >
> > probable
> > 14 camioh canada michigan ohio
> > in western lake erie
> > formerly construed as miohon
> > no known visits
> >
> > probable
> > 15 camimn canada michigan minnesota
> > in western lake superior
> > formerly construed as mimnon
> > no known visits
> >
> > excluded
> > 00 mbmnon manitoba minnesota ontario
> > once thought to exist at mnn
> > very probably precluded by federal waters
> > & effectively replaced by 16 cambmne
> >
> > excluded
> > but
> > definite
> > 00 cambon canada manitoba ontario
> > at head of navigation in northwest inlet creek
> > very probable 33rd or 34th internal canadian tripoint
> >
> > probable
> > 16 cambmne canada manitoba minnesota east
> > at n terminus of meridional mbmn survey line
> > where it meets r bank of northwest inlet creek
> > no known visits
> >
> > probable
> > 17 cambmnw canada manitoba minnesota west
> > at w terminus of parallel mbmn survey line
> > where it meets r bank of red river
> > presuming navigability
> > no known visits
> >
> > probable
> > 18 camnnd canada minnesota north dakota
> > where mnnd boundary meets caus boundary
> > presuming navigability
> > formerly construed mbmnnd
> > no known visits
> >
> > probable
> > 19 cambnd canada manitoba north dakota
> > at e terminus of mbnd survey line
> > where it meets l bank of red river
> > presuming navigability
> > no known visits
> >
> > confirmed
> > 20 mbndsk manitoba north dakota saskatchewan
> > dry
> > probably visited & photographed
> >
> > confirmed
> > 21 mtndsk montana north dakota saskatchewan
> > dry
> > probably visited & photographed
> >
> > confirmed
> > 22 abmtsk alberta montana saskatchewan
> > dry
> > probably visited & photographed
> >
> > confirmed
> > 23 abbcmt alberta british columbia montana
> > dry & remote
> > possibly visited & photographed
> >
> > confirmed
> > 24 bcidmt british columbia idaho montana
> > dry
> > probably visited & photographed
> >
> > confirmed
> > 25 bcidwa british columbia idaho washington
> > dry
> > probably visited & photographed
> >
> > doubtful
> > 00 bccawae british columbia canada washington east &
> > 00 bccawaw west
> > 00 &or any similar possibilities
> > if a river like the columbia is navigable at caus
> >
> > confirmed
> > 26 bccawae british columbia canada washington east
> > at easternmost coastal transit of bcwa survey line
> > between white rock bc & blaine wa
> > no known recorded visits
> >
> > probable
> > 27 causwa1 canada united states washington easternmost
> > at 3 mile limit west of blaine wa
> > no known visits
> >
> > probable
> > 28 causwa2 canada united states washington second
> > at 3 mile limit east of point roberts
> > no known visits
> >
> > confirmed
> > 29 bccawam british columbia canada washington middle
> > at median coastal transit of bcwa survey line
> > at east side of point roberts
> > no known recorded visits
> >
> > confirmed
> > 30 bccawaw british columbia canada washington west
> > at westernmost coastal transit of bcwa survey line
> > at west side of point roberts
> > no known recorded visits
> >
> > probable
> > 31 causwa3 canada united states washington third
> > at 3 mile limit west of point roberts
> > no known visits
> >
> > probable
> > 32 causwa4 canada united states washington fourth
> > at 3 mile limit nw of patos island
> > no known visits
> >
> > probable
> > 33 causwa5 canada united states washington fifth
> > at 3 mile limit nw of waldron island
> > no known visits
> >
> > probable
> > 34 causwa6 canada united states washington sixth
> > at 3 mile limit ne of stuart island
> > no known visits
> >
> > probable
> > 35 causwa7 canada united states washington seventh
> > at 3 mile limit sw of pike pt on san juan island
> > no known visits
> >
> > disputed
> > 36 akcaus1 alaska canada united states first
> > at 3 mile limit sw of cape muzon on dali island
> > only if canadian claim is sustained
> >
> > disputed
> > 37 akcaus2 alaska canada united states second
> > at 3 mile limit east of cape muzon on dali island
> > only if canadian claim is sustained
> >
> > disputed
> > 38 akcaus3 alaska canada united states third
> > at 3 mile limit sw of cape chacon on prince of wales
> island
> > only if canadian claim is sustained
> >
> > disputed
> > 39 akcaus4 alaska canada united states fourth
> > at 3 mile limit se of cape chacon on prince of wales
> island
> > only if canadian claim is sustained
> >
> > disputed
> > but
> > probable
> > 40 akcaus5 alaska canada united states fifth
> > at 3 mile limit sw of the lord islands
> > exact position depending on which claim is sustained
> > note
> > to complicate things even further in this vicinity
> > there are 2 water areas claimed neither by canada nor the united
> states
> > yet situated partly or entirely within 3nm of alaska
> > so additional strange tripoints could result
> >
> > disputed &
> > unlikely
> > 00 akcaus6 alaska canada united states sixth
> > 00 akcaus7 seventh
> > at 3 mile limit se of lord islands
> > only if american claim is sustained & 3nm limit is
> reached
> > both of which contingencies are in doubt
> >
> > disputed
> > 00 akcaus8 alaska canada united states eighth
> > at 3 mile limit sw of garnet pt on kanagunut island
> > only if american claim is sustained
> >
> > disputed
> > 00 akcaus9 alaska canada united states ninth
> > at 3 mile limit se of garnet pt on kanagunut island
> > only if american claim is sustained
> >
> > note
> > while 40akcaus5 above seems inevitable whatever the outcome
> > & similarly 46akcaus10 below
> > regarding the other 8 numbered akcaus tripoints above
> > generally either akcaus1&2&3&4 or akcaus6&7&8&9 will be sustained
> > but of these perhaps only akcaus8&9 will ultimately survive
> > producing a possible reduction of 2 points in the total count
> >
> >
> > probable
> > 41 akbccas alaska british columbia canada south
> > near head of portland canal
> > between hyder ak & stewart bc
> > no known visits
> >
> > probable
> > 42 akbccam alaska british columbia canada middle
> > at left side of tarr inlet west of haines ak
> > where glacier has receded admitting new coastal
> > no known visitswaters
> >
> > probable
> > 43 akbccan alaska british columbia canada north
> > at right side of tarr inlet west of haines ak
> > where glacier has receded admitting new coastal
> > no known visitsdiscovery
> >
> > confirmed
> > 44 akbcyt alaska british columbia yukon territory
> > at w terminus of bcyt survey line
> > where it meets the caus boundary
> > dry point on glacier
> > no known visits
> >
> > doubtful
> > 00 akcayts alaska canada yukon territory south &
> > 00 akcaytn north
> > 00 &or any similar possibilities
> > if a river like the yukon is navigable at caus
> >
> > confirmed
> > 45 akcayt alaska canada yukon territory
> > at n terminus of akyt survey line
> > where it meets beaufort sea
> > just east of gordon ak
> > no known visits
> >
> > confirmed
> > 46 akcaus10 alaska canada united states ninth
> > at 3 mile limit north or nne of gordon ak
> > depending on which claim is sustained
> > no known visits
> >
> >
> > thus 46 now seems the most probable caus line total
> > but it is still far from certain
> > with probably 10 to 14 visits already accomplished
> >
> >
> > at the same time 12 remains the most probable total of mexican
> american
> > international trisubdivisional points
> > comprising the 8 literal tristate points normally cited
> > plus 2 mexican federal beach points
> > & 2 american federal waters points
> >
> >
> > in addition this exercise has resulted in the unexpected
> of 1 or
> > 2 new domestic canadian tripoints associated with & very near the
> caus
> > boundary
> > a fact which may bring the total of this set up to 33 or 34
> >
> >
> > thus updated nafta supertotals are
> > ca 34 internal
> > caus 46 international
> > us 83 internal
> > mxus 12 international
> > mx internal
> > maybe next but what a challenge that will be