Subject: Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
Date: Nov 06, 2003 @ 16:04
Author: acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
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> Yes! The compact sends cartographers back to the drawing boardswith their
> erasers in hand. A well-trained monkey could now find the OKTXboundary on a
> current aerial photo!& i hope you will train him to take short cuts
>the vegetation
> The compact says that the implementation and future evolution of
> line boundary will never affect the ownership of property or oftribal
> sovereignty in either state. Each state will recognize land titlesthat are
> legal under the laws of the other. Property taxes for each givenyear will be
> owed to whichever jurisdiction contains the property or whateverportion of it
> on January 1.because it
>
> Interestingly, the compact had the general support of landowners
> brought some sanity to their lives for the first time! Before thiscompact, the
> Red River segment of OKTX was the sorriest excuse for a stateboundary in the
> country.land on
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@r...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:42 PM
> Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
>
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> SO the compact overrides all of the boundary lines we see on dry
> Topozone, including the old meanders. and substitutes a living,moving
> boundary? Interesting. What happens to property owners caught up ina shift
> of state when the bulbs and meanders are absorbed into the state bywhich
> they are connected on dry land?in the
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lowell G. McManus [mailto:mcmanus71496@m...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:26 PM
> To: Boundary Point
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
>
>
> Here's the latest on the OKTX boundary, of which some are apparently
> unaware:
>
> The boundary was drastically rectified and permanently established
> Redthe consent
> River Boundary Compact. With ratification by the two states and
> ofthe
> the Congress, it became effective on August 31, 2000. Consent to
> compactand from
> was also sought and obtained from the Choctaw and Chickasaw nations
> thewere not
> Kiowa, Comanche, and Apache tribes, although these Indian consents
> necessary.between
>
> In the words of the compact, "The permanent political boundary line
> theline
> states of Oklahoma and Texas along the Red River is the vegetation
> alongTacoma,where the
> the south bank of the Red River except for [through Lake
> pre-reservoir boundary line was to be marked with buoys]... On theOklahoma
> effective
> date of this compact, the party states agree that the State of
> possesses sovereignty over all lands north of the boundary lineestablished
> byall
> this compact and that the State of Texas possesses sovereignty over
> landsoffs on the
> south of the boundary line established by this compact."
>
> That instantly eliminated multitudes of all wildly wandering cut-
> opposite sides of the river. The compact provides for the instantmovement
> ofwhether by
> the boundary with all future movements of the vegetation line,
> accretion, erosion, or even avulsion. Simply put, whenever thevegetation
> linepurpose
> moves by any natural means, the boundary moves with it. The stated
> ofvisually
> the compact is "Placement of the boundary at a location that can be
> identified or located without the necessity of a currentsurvey..." It also
> states, "The interests of the party states are better served byestablishing
> thenatural
> boundary between the states through use of a readily identifiable
> landmark than through use of an artificial survey line."http://tinyurl.com/ttqt .
>
> You can read the Red River Boundary Compact at
>boundary, remains
> The ARTX boundary on the Red River, downstream of the OKTX
> abased on the
> mess. There too, the south bank of the river is the boundary,
> Adams-de On? Treaty between the USA and Spain. Mike sent us a mapof the
> areathat
> near New Boston, Texas. Just ten days ago, I crossed the bridge
> connectsabout
> Arkansas 41 to Texas 8, north of New Boston. It's a new bridge,
> threerespective
> years old. In addition to the usual state welcome signs at the
> endssay only
> of the bridge, there are two small green signs on the railings that
> "State Line." This notice is given at a point well south of thesouth bank
> ofthe
> the meandering river.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "voit1" <voit1@a...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
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> > The Texas border stops at the "southern" edge of the Red River. I
> > have heard conflicting information about the start of the Oklahoma
> > border. I have heard that the OK border start in the center of
> > river with the space between the OK and TX borders being someCoast
> > Guard controled federal something or other... seems odd... anyand
> > thoughts?
> >
> > Also, and likely a more interesting question...Are there other
> > examples where a border runs at the edge of a river, lake, etc.
> > not in the center?http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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