brownlie is professor of international law ian brownlie
& for bp purposes especially his humongous 1979 border bible entitled
african boundaries
a legal & diplomatic encyclopedia
it includes authoritative texts & expert analyses
& had been out of hand for many months but never forgotten
of course for some few & relatively minor things it is outdated
& i would love to know his present views on things like
bwnazmzw
djeret
etc etc
but basically every continent should be so lucky as to have a brownlie
& i think you are right that we should include the several binational
quadripoints in the count & list of the world class multipoints
& a good catch it is
even without reopening the messy question of whether a multipoint can
mean a point in only 2 countries rather than upon 3 borders or more
as we had been assuming in adopting this special terminology
because happily 2 times 2 does after all equal 4
the only problem there tho is that we still dont know for sure whether
there are 3 or 4 of these binational border crosses in the world
owing to some outstanding messiness in cooch behar
so our world class census
which we have just so carefully trimmed of its last remaining question
mark
is again thrown into doubt
hahahaha
so thanx to you i think we do indeed now have umm 163 or 164 of these
the difficulty of uncertainty can be sidestepped tho by devoting our
census not primarily to the world class multipoints per se
but only to the tricountry points properly so called
since we are already practically forced to reckon bwnazmzw not as a
quadricountry point anyway but rather as 2 full tricountry points
so if we just simplify the terms of reference of the inventory
which would be a big improvement anyway
& for which we can all be grateful for your attentiveness mike
we can still squeak by with a fairly hard & coherent & consistent count
of
160
tricountry
points
& happily both eat our cake & have it too
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman <
mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> 1. Shouldn't we count binational quadripoint in our
> list of world class multipoints? This would increase
> the total past the 160 mark. Unless we make the case
> that boundary crosses are really just points where one
> boundary "crosses" over itself.
>
> 2. What is Brownlie (authentic author of authoritative
> text?)
>
> -Mike K.
>
> --- m06079 <barbaria_longa@h...> wrote:
> > & just to finally close out the census of the 193
> > countries
> > & of the world class continental multipoints they
> > combine to produce
> > & without prejudice as to the many probable futures
> > that might occur
> > but subject as always to changing circumstances
> > whenever they do change
> > i think it is already fairly clear
> > even without benefit of brownlie back in hand yet
> > that absent any proof of a true quadrijunction
> > proof which we know is itself not a present
> > possibility in any case
> > bwnazmzw must be presumed to be not 1 but 2 points
> > even despite the fact that it isnt clear which 2
> > points these are
> > hahaha
> > really
> >
> > & thus i believe we can in good conscience conclude
> > that there are not
> > just 159 but fully 160 world class continental
> > multipoints on earth
> > today
> > all of them tripoints for now
> > whether actual or presumptive
> > & only rarely & momentarily if ever does their count
> > fall to 159
> > when
> > however improbably
> > 2 of the more mobile of these 160 tripoints
> > chance to converge & join to form the quadripoint
> > bwnazmzw
> > but break apart immediately into just very close
> > tripoints again
> > hahaha
> >
> > think of it as a tripoint mating dance
> >
> > & i will get into the particulars of it as soon as
> > brownlie does arrive
> >
> > but anyway for now
> > if we are still looking for the worlds shortest
> > border
> > well then lets also remember that it stands a very
> > good chance of being
> > right now right here in the midst of this thalweggy
> > mating dance
> >
> > but we just dont know its name or its length yet
> > nor does it seem likely that we ever will
> >
> > i kid you not
> >
> > this is not a hans island or bwnazmzw pipe dream
> >
> > this is actual present legal fact
> > or at least how it looks from here
> > until anyone is kind enough to correct me
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "m06079"
> > <barbaria_longa@h...>
> > wrote:
> > > on further reflection
> > > i dont want to have to maintain that either
> > western sahara or
> > > palestine are real countries yet
> > > since lets face it
> > > they arent
> > > but are still de facto parts of morocco & israel
> > respectively
> > > if anything
> > >
> > > or does anyone seriously disagree
> > >
> > >
> > > so i would gladly sacrifice all the supposed eh &
> > ps tripoints
> > > which simply means dzehma alone would bite the
> > dust
> > > of all the tripoints we have previously identified
> > as world class
> > >
> > > & dzehmr would become dzmamr
> > > for the time being at least
> > >
> > > btw thats ma as in maroc for morocco
> > > rather than mo
> > > which is macau
> > > oops
> > >
> > > but anyway the country count can thus hold steady
> > & credible at
> > > 193
> > >
> > > & the world class multipoint count would decrease
> > by 1
> > > from 160 or 161
> > > to 159 to 160
> > > depending as usual only on the resolution of
> > bwnazmzw
> > > into 1 or 2 points
> > > & of course pending all other future developments
> > too
> > >
> > >
> > > ahhh that feels much better already
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "m06079"
> > > <barbaria_longa@h...> wrote:
> > > > thanx kevin
> > > > that is a very interesting & telling comparison
> > > >
> > > > & it reminds me that since we have been counting
> > both of the
> > > > western sahara eh tripoints among our global
> > total of 160 or
> > > 161
> > > > continental multipoints
> > > > i think since even before eh became a glyph
> > > > we have actually already acknowledged western
> > sahara as the
> > > > 194th country rather than just a part of morocco
> > > > willy nilly & ipso facto
> > > > even if i hadnt said so in message 1086 nor
> > grant in 2270 &
> > > > 11495 etc
> > > >
> > > > so unless we want to recount or retract one of
> > those
> > > > & reconsider eh as truly part of mo
> > > > we really need to acknowledge western sahara as
> > a country
> > > >
> > > > & if we do regard eh as number 194
> > > > then it would seem all too easy & right to come
> > into complete
> > > > alignment with iso too
> > > > & regard palestine ps as number 195
> > > >
> > > > but then there would ensue a premature search
> > for its tripoints
> > > >
> > > > i mean other than the most presumptive egilps
> > tripoint at gaza
> > > >
> > > > which at least would thus become a full peer
> > with the dzehmo
> > > > tripoint we have already acknowledged
> > > > if indeed even egilps can really be counted upon
> > either
> > > > in view of anticipated land swaps etc etc etc
> > > >
> > > > so of course here we are really in the future if
> > anywhere
> > > > rather than in the present any more at all
> > > > since palestine is de facto still an unknown
> > part of israel
> > > > or so it seems to me
> > > >
> > > > but the truth for now is we ourselves already
> > have a messy self
> > > > contradiction over western sahara
> > > > whether the united nations or iso or palestine
> > or anyone can
> > > > help us or not
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Kevin
> > Meynell
> > > > <kevin@m...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >does it equal our same 193 entities
> > > > >
> > > > > According to the UN website, there are only
> > 191 member
> > > > nations. This
> > > > > tallies with the ISO 3166-1 total of 195 if
> > you include the Holy
> > > > See,
> > > > > Taiwan, Western Sahara and Palestine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin Meynell
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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