Subject: Re: Ancient Finnish borders<br/>
Date: Sep 17, 2003 @ 23:24<br/>
Author: m06079 (&quot;m06079&quot; &lt;barbaria_longa@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-2033575604">--- In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com">BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com</a>, Dallen Timothy &lt;dtimothy@a...&gt; <br/>
wrote:<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; Do you really think most were marked by then? <br/>
<br/>
 </span></blockquote>by 1767 yes<br/>
practically everywhere in europe<br/>
& many even in colonial america<br/>
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& i believe we have seen them in the pyrenees by the 1300s too<br/>
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Many were marked yes, as<br/>
<blockquote><span title="qreply"> &gt; we&#39;ve seen even on BP, but the border environment was still (1695 at<br/>
&gt; least) hanging on the concept of marche, or frontier area, rather than<br/>
&gt; distinct boundary lines. The late 1600s was really still in the<br/>
&gt; beginning stages of demarcation for most places. The North American<br/>
&gt; colonies were good examples of that too.<br/>
&gt; What&#39;s even more remarkable, is that one of the 1300s borders between<br/>
&gt; kingdoms is even marked in a few places in Finland and can still be<br/>
&gt; seen. My next trip will include a visit to those. To have a 1350 border<br/>
&gt; demarcated in such a way is definitely quite innovative for its time!<br/>
&gt; Dallen<br/>
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&gt; -----Original Message-----<br/>
&gt; From: m06079 [mailto:barbaria_longa@h...] <br/>
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:10 PM<br/>
&gt; To: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com">BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com</a><br/>
&gt; Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ancient Finnish borders<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; dallen i think you are overstating this aspect<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; &gt; It is located in central eastern Finland, and was finally<br/>
&gt; marked/engraved in 1767. What&#39;s especially remarkable is that fact that<br/>
&gt; a very specific borderline was actually marked so early on. As you all<br/>
&gt; know, in most of Europe during that period, borders were a fairly<br/>
&gt; abstract notion and rarely demarcated.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; by 1767 many if not most boundaries in europe were already marked<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; true <br/>
&gt; many of the boundaries have changed since then <br/>
&gt; so most working rocks are indeed younger than these<br/>
&gt; but boundaries were commonly marked even centuries earlier<br/>
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