apologies for the unintended double post in the wee hours
& in morning light i am liking your theory better & better
but have still found nothing to support it after much search
the last known alteration in iqsa was in 1981 when they divvied
up the old neutral zone
perhaps there was something in that treaty about iqjosa too
that will prove your point
but i cant find it either
of course
since this is mapped on the tactical pilotage chart as de facto
the difficulty in finding any documentation is understandable
hard to imagine why both iqjo & iqsa would have abandoned the
prominent & well established summit of jebel unayzah tho
in favor of a different common point
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "m06079"
<barbaria_longa@h...> wrote:
> nicely done
> & by careful measurement on the tactical pilotage chart
> & areal computations
> i have confirmed the acreages of your areas a & b are easily
> within 1 percent of each other
> so this fact alone is highly presumptive of an equal land swap
for
> those little trapezoidal parcels alone
>
> but apart from that
> the sliver as a whole was evidently subtracted from jordan pure
> & simple
> without any apparent territorial compensation from iraq
>
> so the quid pro quo wasnt for the primary de facto adjustment
> but evidently followed upon it only secondarily
>
> & it was in that sense that i meant i dont see how jordan
gained
> any territory back for what it gave
> overall
> & still dont
>
>
> also
> the positioning of your red line conjunction at the red square
> tho visually promising
> actually appears to miss a perfect match by more than a mile
on
> the chart when carefully measured
> so in conjunction with such a precise acreage match
> this detail cant be so easily presumed to be coincident
> but seems more likely to be a wishful thought & a forced fit
>
> however
> the thick mexican style border depictions do muddy things up
>
> & all the caveats on the chart that alignments are only
> approximate may save your hypothesis as well as bust my
idea
> that there may really be 3 rather than only the 2 probable
iqjosas
> you show as red & black squares in your diagram
>
> but without harder data & pending some explanation of this
> hitherto unnoticed de facto iqsa as good as your explanation of
> the de facto iqjo
> & some clue that there really was some tripartite
understanding
> that could explain the existence of such a triple point
> i think all these possible convergences & coincidences should
> be held in suspense
>
> your attempt to connect everything is interesting
> & i would beat the bushes with you to validate it
> & am quite curious as to what this de facto iqsa is all about
now
> but the existence of the double or triple iqjosa probability could
> still be completely unrelated to the existence of the double iqjo
> probability
>
> fascinating puzzle in any case
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
> <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > I prepared a simple web page at
www.mexlist.com/bp/iqjo.htm
> to illustrate how
> > the current IQJO boundary might have evolved. The map on
> the left is from the
> > Sandia paper cited earlier. The map on the right is one that I
> have devised to
> > illustrate the scenario that I suggest.
> >
> > The black lines on my map are the traditional boundaries
> intersecting at the
> > black IQJOSA tripoint. For some reason (perhaps nothing
> more than the
> > availability of more accurate maps), the tripoint was moved
> from the black one
> > to the red one, thus creating the alternate red boundaries,
> which are shown as
> > the "de facto" boundaries on various maps that we have
> recently seen. Then came
> > the 1984 agreement to provide for the Iraqi military airfield. In
> that
> > agreement, Jordan swapped "A" to Iraq in exchange for "B,"
> thus establishing the
> > boundaries shown in blue. The Ruwayshid Airfield is indeed
> in "A."
> >
> > I can't prove this scenario, but it seems reasonable, and it
> answers the
> > question as to what territory Jordan gained (in respect to the
> red boundary)--or
> > retained (in respect to the black boundary).
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "m06079" <barbaria_longa@h...>
> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 5:57 PM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: IQJOSA
> >
> >
> > > ahh nice
> > > i hadnt noticed that
> > >
> > > not only 2 iqsas but a dogleg of iqjo also
> > > rather than the simple wye shaped iqjosa trijunction we
saw
> on
> > > your first map this morning
> > >
> > > plus another addition to iqjo obviously
> > > the extra reach created between the parallel iqsas
> > >
> > > so 2 more perfect mysteries
> > > perhaps related to the iqjo sliver
> > > which has now been pretty much explained by lowell
> > > tho i dont see how jordan gained any territory
> > >
> > > & what you are calling parallel iqsas may actually converge
> into
> > > another sliver shape off frame to the southeast for all we
> know
> > > unless there is an online continuation of this map
> > >
> > > but clearly there are now not just 2 but 3 probable iqjosas