ok thanx jesper
i believe your memory must be right
& so for whatever it may be worth
besides the fun i am having with it
for which thanx again to all
here is my best guess
based on all your combined data & answers
& taking into account the nonanswers too
i think your overall assessment must be correct
because i suspect marker 46plus1379 may just be the soviet
replacement &or euphemism for the long lost & forgotten eelv
monument 1 dating from 1922 iirc
when it would have begun its service as 1 of the 3 witness
markers for the presoviet eelvru
& my speculation continues
the 2 companion markers on the lvru side must have been
pulled when the soviets extended eeru down to monument 47
& rerouted lvru to meet it there
as shown on the old topo
& this may explain why the fence seems to be a few meters too
far north
for it would have had to stand clear of the border strip between
the presoviet lv & ru posts
while the single monument on the ee side would presumably be
centered on this lvru border strip rather than aligned with the
fence along its edge
so i believe you have made a perfectly good albeit slightly
diffused class c visit to the truest available if not yet actual eelvru
as you gazed into the stream here between the marker & the
fence end
& that you have also paid at least as good a call on the expiring
but technically still effective soviet eelvru at the thalweg junction
supposedly 2 meters below marker 47
the exact crosshairs i have been seeking where the thalweg
passes between the fence end & marker 46plus1379
in order to determine the sharpest possible class c or b visit
may perhaps be found by simply imagining a line parallel to the
fence line striking the center of the monument
& then looking for the point on this parallel line that is crossed by
the visible thread of the stream
or else feeling for the deepest point encountered while crossing
the stream on that imaginary line
& i believe a similarly exacting try may be possible for byltpl
which btw i would also love to hear more about
& an even better determination & try may be possible for bylvru
by actually seeing the thalweg wye junction itself
or at worst probing the stream beds for it
in fact all 3 such tries might make inner tubing with a tape
measure on the bois de sioux look positively extreme in every
regard
so based on everything reported & not reported so far
i believe you have not only made 3 very close class c visits to
these challenging points but have also given us bright prospects
for future class b visits to all 3 as well
& perhaps some day
when the guards arent hovering quite so close
& the schedule isnt so hectic
a tripoint dance as water ballet
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, jesniel@i... wrote:
> As far is I remember, the LVRU fence line did not hit BM 46, but
a few meters
> off to the right.
>
> Jesper
> >-- Original Message --
> >To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> >From: "acroorca2002" <orc@o...>
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:21:08 -0000
> >Subject: [BoundaryPoint] re eelvru
> >Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
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> <tt>
> thanx jan<BR>
> beautiful<BR>
> <BR>
> so i gather the barbed wire fence is in perfect alignment with
the <BR>
> center of marker 46plus1379<BR>
> <BR>
> can you confirm<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> & is the thread of the stream visible or ot
> >erwise discernible as it <BR>
> intersects this presumed alignment of fence & marker<BR>
> so one can actually eyeball a precise tripoint there in the
stream<BR>
> <BR>
> or are you showing this area as an upside down ice cream
cone<BR>
> to indicate so
> >e lingering tiny uncertainty as to the exact location <BR>
> of the actual tripoint<BR>
> whether owing to some wobble in the fence line or some <BR>
> uncertainty about the thalweg or both<BR>
> <BR>
> & if there is any fuzziness at all <BR>
> then abou
> > how large an area would you say is in question<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> & do the bank & stream conditions permit actually reaching
this <BR>
> presumed intersection of thalweg & fence line<BR>
> whether by swimming or wading or ropework etc<BR>
> or
> >ould a kayak be needed for traveling the last few meters to
<BR>
> the crosshairs<BR>
> <BR>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jan S. Krogh" <BR>
> <jan.krogh@t...> wrote:<BR>
> > Thank you Mike for your comments and questions!<BR>
> >
> > I have tried to answer all your questions and comments in a
<BR>
> new update on<BR>
> > the EELVRU Map page.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > Jan<BR>
> > <a
href="http://home.no.net/enklaver">http://home.no.net/enklaver</
a><BR>
> > <BR>
> > <BR>
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