I second the exclamation that this was a super map.
I ruffled through the topographical maps listed on the website of the
Landesvermessungsamt Jesper left on his message, and 1:5,000 maps are
offered. There is a notation stating they are enlargements of others.
This condominium offers us some real ponderables -
a. There is a piece of land on the France-Condo border in white.
According to the Legend, the pink is the joint sovereignty area - and
the piece of land is not in pink, not in Luxembourg proper and not in
Germany proper, either.
b. The border is "mobile" according to article 1 of the treaty
and fixed on the ends of the territory where it crosses the river
according to Article 3 of the treaty (but, presumably these fixed
borders arfe fixed only with respect to their latitude - they have to
get longer and shorter as the water moves higher and lower along the
other-than-perfectly-vertical river banks.
c. The bridge between Maimuehle and Schengen is also not in pink.
The map shows that there are border table markers where the
bridge meets the shores. We may have another case of a question of
airspace not being a sovereign portion of the condominium, at least
over the surface area of the earth where the bridge occupies it. It's
akin to the bridge situations over and under the Vennbahn, the upper
and lower limits of the former air corridors from W. Germany to W.
Berlin that had a "tunnel shape" and the W. Berlin Starnsdorfer Bridge
in Steinstuecken that may or may not have made an exclave out of the
East German railrway tracks south of the bridge. If the border
between Luxembourg and Germany is in the middle of bridge over the
water, then we have two condominiums - unless the vertical sovereignty
of the airspace above and below the bridge does not sink below the low
level surface of the water under it. Only if that is the case could
the condominium be one contiguous piece.
d. So, France has an eighth neighbor - one more neighbor than
most people probably believe (B, AND, S, I, MC, CH & D and now "D-L
Condo"). Germans often commented to me when I lived there that they
found it somewhat ironic that they have the most neighbors of any
country in W. Europe (DK, NL, B, L, F, CH, A, CZ & PL), which I guess
is still true - I count 9 - or 10 if the Condo in which they
participate is also a "new neighbor" for the purpose). If you count
maritime borders, how would that change? Does the UK add one to each
country's count? France would certainly pick up at least one that the
Germans wouldn't - the Channel Islands Peculiarities of the Crown.
LN
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BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jannis Deeleman"
<deeleman@c...> wrote:
> Hello Peter and Jesper,
>
> You're partly right, Jesper! The book you mentioned contains
> serveral maps of the border DELU on the incredible 1:5000 scale, but
> only 3 !! The map you included is not in the book. It's from a
> serie of 33 maps in the scale 1:5000. The maps are made by "die
> Technische Arbeitsgruppe für die deutsch- luxemburgische Grenze" in
> 1983.
> I don't know where and if these maps are available.
>
> Kind regards, Jannis Deeleman
> www.grenspalen.com
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
> <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > From my dear border friend, Mats from Sweden.
> >
> > But I think (= don't know) it's part of a larger document on
> DELU, called Grenzvermessung Deutchlands-Luxembourg (see message
> 2126 - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/2126)
> >
> > You can get it here
> http://www.lverma.rlp.de/shop/produkte/b_uebersicht.html for 17,90
> EUR.
> >
> > Jesper
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Peter Smaardijk
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 2:11 PM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU
> >
> >
> > Great document! Where did you get that from?
> >
> > Peter S.
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
> <jesniel@i...>
> > wrote:
> > > Jesper
> >
> >
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