Yeah, except that the Indo-Bangla enclave borders often (perhaps even
usually) follow the berms around someone's rice patty. haha-sheesh!
Is the straight line irrigation channel that was found in existence,
was previously only thought to be the border, and was agreed upon to
be the straight line border during delimiting a disqualifier? If so,
discard the list I posted and ignore Brendan's details.
>this is just my shorthand or code for something that was
>discussed at much greater length previously.
What was it called previously when it was discussed? (Don't answer,
it's rhetorical for acroorca's sake).
Your question, as I recall it without going back to look, was "what is
the shortest border?", not "how short is the shortest border". To
answer that, one need not know the actual border length - only the
area. The "worst case" scenario to beat is all you need to get you to
the answer of which enclave has the shortest border.
LN
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> ahh len is back already
> hahaha
> no longer so sure it is moot
> & raring for more confusion
> well great
>
> but of course it really is moot & always was
> & nothing of any consequence hinges on any of these questions
>
> except perhaps the title of worlds shortest international border
>
> so lets at least not have any confusion or illusions about what if
> anything we were or still are trying to find
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
> <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > How do you define "entirely geodetic"?
>
> this is just my shorthand or code for something that was
> discussed at much greater length previously
>
> what i mean by a boundary that is entirely geodetic or geodesic
> is one that incorporates & follows no natural features such as
> streams or drainage divides etc but is legally defined only as a
> series of straight lines or arcs connecting a known series of
> points with known geocoordinates &or markers to identify them
>
>
> > Does that mean land border or does land under water count?
>
> it means land border but land under water counts equally
>
> wetness &or dryness doesnt actually affect a border or its length
>
>
> > I thought Brendan completely answered the question of at
> least the
> > shortest land border by naming the area of the smalles of the
> > Indo/Bangla detachments....
>
> he certainly made a great try & preliminary evaluation
> but he hasnt yet begun to address the question as framed
> & i think he at least realizes that
>
> area & perimeter have no necessary relationship to each other
>
> moreover areas with borders incorporating any nongeodetic
> elements have expressly been excluded from consideration
> for reasons also already discussed
> even if it would be nice to eventually determine which is the
> arguably shortest in the world of that type too
>
> indeed from all i have heard so far i am still inclined to believe at
> this point that there is still a good chance that most if not all the
> cooch behar candidates will ultimately disqualify themselves
> from the main event just by proving on closer examination not to
> be completely geodetic
>
> > if an enclave has a given area, one can
> > calculate it's maximum border length, and that's it - that's the
> worst
> > case scenario that something else has to beat.
>
> no thats not what i am ultimately looking for
> & yes one can do that & i even did just that in order to try to round
> up & isolate the potential candidates
>
> but i am not trying to beat maximum possible border length
>
> only trying to determine & compare actual border lengths
> to learn which one is actually shortest
>
> > Shape doesn't matter
> > (unless, I guess, we get into the philosophical "infinite
> > indefatigable indeterminable fractals". Then, as Mr. Rumsfeld
> like to
> > say, "it's not knowable"). Or?
>
> in this case it may or may not already be knowable
>
> it just depends on what is actually known
> & i am still trying to determine that