Subject: Re: shortest international border in the world
Date: May 20, 2003 @ 19:32
Author: L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
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Ooops is right.
I just thumbed through Brendan's thesis and found a list with
surprises. Here's an extract:

District & /J.L. No Enclave Name Area
Mathabanga Police Sta (district)
133 Bhogramguri 1.44 acres

Mekliganj P.S.
153/P Chhit Panisala 0.27 acres
101/J Chhit Fulkudabri 0.88 acres
115/L Chhit Upanchowki/
Kuchlibari 0.32 acrea

skimming through, I found eight others under 1 acre.

Most are not on rivers so "fractals" are out.

Regards
LN










--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> oops
> in favor of cooch behar rather than against it is its average clave
> size of about 60 hectares
> compared to baarles average clave size of about 280 hectares
>
> & however this edge is softened by the fractalizing net of rivers
> it still means the smallest claves are correspondingly more likely
> to be found at cooch behar than at baarle
> if not also the claves of shortest perimeter
>
> for shortest perimeter & smallest area are 2 separate & perhaps
> equally interesting questions
> possibly but not at all necessarily resolvable by a single answer
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
> <orc@o...> wrote:
> > thanx for the tries len
> > but why do you think so
> >
> > you &or brendan may well know some hard facts i need
> > but i settled on baarle first because it is substantially urban
> > while cooch behar is substantially rural
> > so even tho in densest asia as well as more numerous
> > the smallest bengali farmsteads still mightnt be so small as
> the
> > smallest house lots in downtown baarle
> >
> > but besides that
> > the bengali claves are notoriously fractal too
> > reportedly often involving streams etc
> >
> > so for both reasons
> > i dont see a great likelihood of a real winner of under 220
> meters
> > geodetic in cooch behar
> > not at first glance anyway
> > tho perhaps an asterisk taker
> >
> > but anyway you are certainly right that such a major probability
> > needs to be actually exhausted rather than just blown off
> > & brendan probably does know at least all the hectarages
> > even if not all the other necessary particulars
> > so he & we might know at a glance whether there even is a
> > serious candidate to detain ourselves over in cooch behar
> > before proceeding to compare the baarle candidates
> > which i think is where i am still headed anyway
> > tho there is always room for course correction if warranted
> >
> > also maybe brendan will get back to us at the same time about
> > his ongoing investigation into whether there is or isnt a second
> > border cross in cooch behar too
> >
> >
> > the erstwhile cis farm boundary
> > if that is the one you mean
> > is presumably out of date
> > whatever its length may have been
> >
> > & the gibraltar example is like penon de velez de la gomera
> > only longer
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
> > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > I think if you check with Brendan, he'll find Bangladesh
> > enclaves so
> > > small that the border around them will beat the border
> around
> > any
> > > little piece of Baarle that you might find.
> > >
> > > There was also the little border around a piece of property in
> > one of
> > > the CIS states we found (have a map somewhere), and then
> > there's the
> > > Gibraltar-Spain border which is so short one can walk it in
> > fifteen
> > > minutes at most.
> > >
> > > LN
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
> > <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > we have already nominated the narrow neck between
> > morocco &
> > > > spain at penon de velez de la gomera
> > > > worlds shortest international dry boundary
> > > > & have even made plans to dig it up & reduce it to the
> > vanishing
> > > > point at high tide
> > > > just for the fun of it
> > > >
> > > > however the esmo border there presumably already
> > continues
> > > > out to sea delimiting miles of territorial waters in both
> > directions
> > > >
> > > > so the border there is only the landlubbers shortest rather
> > than
> > > > the actual shortest border in the world
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > the search for the actual shortest tho has led me to baarle
> > > >
> > > > happily it appears to be another tossup between 2
> > candidates
> > > > both looking in this case like about 220 meters
> > > >
> > > > these can be seen in
> > > > http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith//baarle/baarlemap.html
> > > > as the irregular pink polygon at upper left near the name
> > loveren
> > > > & the white quadrilateral 2 scrolls down between k12 & k13
> > > >
> > > > so my questions are
> > > > can anyone give more exact border lengths for these 2
> claves
> > > > or possibly better yet
> > > > can anyone find a shorter international border anywhere
> else