for kevin joe or anyone else interested in seeking the most
punctilious possible truth here
first a fast easy crash course in fractal maths
http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/qq.09.95/lewis1.html
http://www.exploratorium.edu/complexity/lexicon/fractals.html
http://www.mindgames.com/mb.phtml
http://www.calresco.org/fractal.htm
& then the actual legal definition of the actual boundary sector we
have been talking about
from bus&ss
as follows
the boundary has been defined since 1824 or earlier as
the right or south bank of the red river
& this was accepted by the supreme court in 1896
& reaffirmed in 1921
but as for what constitutes this bank
it was necessary for the court to add in 1923
the bank intended is the waterwashed & relatively permanent
elevation or acclivity at the outer line of the river bed which
separates the bed from the adjacent upland
& the boundary intended is on & along the bank at the average or
mean level attained by the waters in the periods when they reach
& wash the bank without overflowing it
the bed of the stream was defined as including all of the area
which is kept practically bare of vegetation by the wash of the
waters of the river from year to year
& excluding the lateral valleys which have the characteristics of
relatively fast land & usually are covered by upland grasses &
vegetation
tho temporarily overflowed in exceptional instances when the
river is at flood
so the boundary is defined
indeed far more definitely than most river boundaries
& one could follow if not actually measure it by this definition as
recently as 1923
along a visible water line that had been formed on visible
individual sand particles clinging to a bank
however
this line in the sand has certainly changed
microscopically but actually
not only with every splash of the river ever since 1923
but with every gust of wind as well
etc etc
& it has kept gaining &or losing a particle here &or a particle
there
happily ever after
highly streamlined approximations of that original boundary line
but of course not the particulate boundary line itself
are preserved in places on the usgs topos
where they are labelled for that reason approximate boundary
but the actual & exact boundary represented by those
approximations cant even be known any longer today
nor can it ever be truly measured
unless its definition is changed in such a way as to make it
measurable
i hope that helps anyone who wanted it
& of course you are all free to believe whatever you like
but in bp terms
which is to say
punctologically speaking
there is such a thing as best available truth
& reaching for it is a big part of our play here all the time
& i feel we have long since reached it on this question
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Flynn, Kevin"
<flynnk@r...> wrote:
> It would really not go on like that. If the boundary is defined, one
follows
> that definition. If OK-TX has been defined as a certain location
in the
> channel of the Red River, one would follow that and measure it
as s/he goes.
> If the menaderings are part of the definition, that would be
followed.
>
> The hard number really is out there. It is not infinite.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian J. Butler [mailto:bjbutler@b...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:55 PM
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] OKTX --finally! figures
>
>
> On Thursday 17 April 2003 12:13 pm, you wrote:
> And following really small meanders
>
> Red River - -1234 miles
> East Panhandle line -- 133.6 miles
> North Panhandle line -- 167 miles (minus 2.2 miles TXNM)
>
> Total -- 1532.4 miles
>
>
> And following really small meanders and medium sizes
irregularities:
>
> Red River -- 2816 miles
> East Panhandle line -- 133.6 miles
> North Panhandle line -- 167 miles (minus 2.2 miles TXNM)
>
> Total -- 3114.4 miles
>
> Etc.
>
>
> > Including only larger river bends:
> >
> > Red River -- 480.0 miles
> > East Panhandle line -- 133.6 miles
> > North Panhandle line -- 167 miles (minus 2.2 miles TXNM)
> >
> > Total -- 778.4 miles
> >
> > Following the smaller meanderings of the rivers:
> >
> > Red River -- 726 miles
> > East Panhandle line -- 133.6 miles
> > North Panhandle line -- 167 miles (minus 2.2 miles TXNM)
> >
> > Total -- 1024.4 miles
> >
> > Source: Texas Almanac
> >
> > --Joe
> >
> > (Will post some pics of my visit to Copperhill TN/McCaysville
GA soon. The
> > border runs through a grocery store and a church)
great
would love to see them