Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nagging questions
Date: Jan 29, 2003 @ 21:00
Author: Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
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Did anybody get any answers from anybody on this one yet?
 
I came to think about angles.
 
On the DEDK I find the treaty weak and discribes a more general line. From the treaty you would know where the border goes, but you would be unable to know exactly where the border is. What really counts are the border maps, which describes precisely where the border is. Each markers is measured and survey in comparison with one another.
 
So my guess is that "the peak" is just general referring to the peak-area, and the marker would be the physical demarcation.
 
Jesper
 
PS I have scan and attach a DKSE survey map later 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld
To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Nagging questions

> 5. I saw on Mats pics that there are some other
> smaller markers around
> marker no. 110.
> Visible on:
> http://jungholz.enclaves.org/images/105-0574_IMG.JPG
> and
> http://jungholz.enclaves.org/images/106-0601_IMG.JPG
> (marked "KT"(?))
> Maybe Mats or some other of you know what kind of
> markers is this?

Ah. Yes, those. They confused me too. More images:
http://images.enclaves.org/jungholz/KT_1.JPG
http://images.enclaves.org/jungholz/KT_2.JPG
http://images.enclaves.org/jungholz/KT_3.JPG

There were three of those smaller ones around at the
110 marker. One just 1 m north of it, another 3-4 m
north and a third 10 m (or so) to the west. Two of
them are visible on image KT_3 above. The rock in the
middle of KT_3 is the one with the 110 marker on the
opposite side.

Unless the border surveyors made a particiularly lousy
job they cannot be border markers.

If you look carefully on the Austrian border map you
will see three symbols around 110, two circles and a
triangle. Do these symbols refer to the KT-stones?

So what cound they be?

From my understanding border marking involves all
sorts of complicated geographic measurements and
calculations. Sometimes neighbouring countries'
reference grids have to be connected to eachother, and
more reference points in the vicinity of the border
need to be established.

Could they simply be geogrid reference points? And in
that case, could KT mean Kempten, which would be the
nearest town with a Vermessungsamt in it?

Anyway, there are now so many questions that another
visit seems unavoidable.

Btw, Jan has a really great idea about what we should
suggest to the Jungholz community. I hope he will take
the chance to comment on that.

M



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