Subject: Re: Most Northerly Photo op more like it<br/>
Date: Jan 25, 2003 @ 14:29<br/>
Author: acroorca2002 &lt;orc@orcoast.com&gt; (&quot;acroorca2002 &lt;orc@...&gt;&quot; &lt;orc@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-409679419">--- In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com">BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com</a>, Craig Rowland <br/>
&lt;trehala@y...&gt; wrote:<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; Help me out here people.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; Just before crossing from Nuorgam, Finland into<br/>
&gt; Polmak, Norway, this marker appears. It is my<br/>
&gt; understanding that the coordinates listed:<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; 77.79 P ( = North) and<br/>
&gt; 35.36 I ( = East) <br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; place us somewhere in the Barents Sea south of<br/>
&gt; Svalbard. Can anyone explain this to me?<br/>
<br/>
 </span></blockquote>craig <br/>
that is novel<br/>
as well as fascinating <br/>
& i dont pretend to understand <br/>
but i do have a theory to offer<br/>
<br/>
first <br/>
clearly these arent normal degrees & hundredths<br/>
but rather <br/>
evidently<br/>
some kind of wacky degrees & wacky minutes<br/>
<br/>
the strange number of 79 minutes in the latitude <br/>
suggests<br/>
at least<br/>
as i think you also must have surmised<br/>
that these so called minutes arent sixtieths of a degree at all <br/>
but more likely hundredths of a degree <br/>
<br/>
if so<br/>
then the degrees also might be in a similarly weird centile format<br/>
likely projecting 100 instead of 90 degrees from equator to pole<br/>
just another guess <br/>
but<br/>
converting such wacky latitude to normal latitude<br/>
by multiplying 77point79 <br/>
by 90 hundredths<br/>
yields 70 deg 0 min 40 sec<br/>
<br/>
& this looks close enough to reality on my best inadequate map<br/>
that i would pause <br/>
before going on to try the equally wacky longitude<br/>
to ask anyone with a better map to see if this first guess looks <br/>
close enough to proceed<br/>
<br/>
or better yet<br/>
peter may know the exact coords of monument 343<br/>
to confirm or bust this guess outright<br/>
<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; Of course, as we border freaks know, this is /not/ the<br/>
&gt; northernmost point in the EU. I would cut through a<br/>
&gt; field and skid down a sandy cliff to get there :-)<br/>
<br/>
 </span></blockquote>then assuming you are serious & i understand you rightly<br/>
this would appear to place you & the wacky coords near or very <br/>
near fino marker 343<br/>
as mentioned by peter in message 8711 <br/>
which also appears to place dry bpn itself in the river<br/>
with the marker being actually only a riparian witness monument<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
so btw it seems the supposedly dry bpn is actually wet<br/>
while truly dry bpn would have to be a riverside point <br/>
situated somewhere as yet unknown between the thalweg & <br/>
marker 343<br/>
<br/>
tho this too may be a question peters source could also help to <br/>
resolve</div>