Subject: Re: Surveying errors<br/>
Date: Nov 17, 2002 @ 01:15<br/>
Author: acroorca2002 (&quot;acroorca2002&quot; &lt;orc@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1519553390">thanx jack<br/>
very interesting indeed<br/>
<br/>
its really what try pointing must have been like in the old days<br/>
& seems like a lot more fun than we have today using topos or <br/>
gps & vehicles etc<br/>
<br/>
best wishes <br/>
& looking forward to your continuation<br/>
m<br/>
<br/>
<blockquote><span title="qreply"> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., &quot;jparsell&quot; &lt;jparsell@n...&gt; wrote:<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br/>
&gt; From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@o...]<br/>
&gt; Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:22 PM<br/>
&gt; To: BoundaryPoint@y...<br/>
&gt; Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Oklahoma tri-State corners - Part <br/>
II<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; very nice jack<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; bus&ss indicates that the survey of the cimarron meridian in<br/>
&gt; 1881 by chaney actually reiterated an 1874 survey of it by major<br/>
&gt; so it is doubly surprising that neither major nor chaney seems <br/>
to<br/>
&gt; have determined the intersection of their line with the 37th<br/>
&gt; parallel line that had been established & reiterated by johnston<br/>
&gt; clark macomb since 1857<br/>
&gt; but that not until 1890 did anyone namely preston even find the<br/>
&gt; point where these overlapping perpendiculars communicated<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; amazing<br/>
&gt; like ships passing in the night as well as lost in the desert<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; or can you or albert white give some better explanation for this<br/>
&gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br/>
&gt; ----<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; Michael, bus&ss is right in stating John Major attempted to <br/>
survey south<br/>
&gt; on the 103rd meridian, but he was way to far west.  Here is <br/>
what has been<br/>
&gt; determined from the survey notes:<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; The Johnston monument was established in 1857, Macomb <br/>
placed his monument<br/>
&gt; in 1859, both were way west of the 103rd meridian.  In 1872 <br/>
John J. Major<br/>
&gt; surveyed the 25th meridian west of Washington south to the <br/>
37th parallel<br/>
&gt; and established the corner between CO and KS.  In 1874 John <br/>
Major surveyed<br/>
&gt; west on the 37th parallel along the south boundary of CO <br/>
starting at his<br/>
&gt; 1872 monument.  At 55 miles 22 1/2 chains he found the <br/>
Macomb monument.<br/>
&gt; At 57 miles 4 1/2 chains he reported finding the Johnston <br/>
Monument.  The<br/>
&gt; field notes indicate that he ran south 34 miles 40 chains from <br/>
the Johnston<br/>
&gt; monument and could not find the Clark northwest corner of <br/>
Texas, and<br/>
&gt; therefore set his own monument. It is estimated that he was <br/>
about 4 miles<br/>
&gt; west of the true 103rd meridian. Also, remember that Clark <br/>
was over 2 miles<br/>
&gt; west of the 103rd, so the whole surveying business was full of <br/>
errors at<br/>
&gt; that time.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; Chaney and Smith in 1881 were directed to survey the <br/>
unsurveyed public<br/>
&gt; lands bounded by KS and CO on the north, the Indian Territory <br/>
on the east,<br/>
&gt; TX on the south and NM terr. on the west. This covers land <br/>
between 36d30&#39;<br/>
&gt; to 37d N and between 100d and 103d W, and to establish a <br/>
Principal Meridian<br/>
&gt; to be known as the Cimarron Meridian.  Very detailed <br/>
instructions as to how<br/>
&gt; this was to be accomplished were given.  The original intention <br/>
was that<br/>
&gt; the base line intersection with the meridian (the Initial Point) <br/>
would be at<br/>
&gt; 36d30&#39; N, 103d W. Actually the base line was not the Texas <br/>
border (actual<br/>
&gt; 36d30&#39;).<br/>
&gt; Also the place of beginning at 37d,103d was off by about 300 <br/>
yds too far<br/>
&gt; north (Albert White comments that Cheney and Smith were <br/>
surprisingly<br/>
&gt; accurate in their surveying and he can&#39;t understand how they <br/>
missed hitting<br/>
&gt; the CO line more accurately).<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; In 1899-1900, Levi S. Preston was instructed to thouroughly <br/>
investigate and<br/>
&gt; retrace all of the previous surveys by Clark, John Major, Chaney <br/>
and Smith<br/>
&gt; and others.  He was to determine the true conditions and <br/>
positions of the<br/>
&gt; Johnston and Macomb monuments and the Darling survey <br/>
along the 37th<br/>
&gt; parallel.  Preston&#39;s report includes information that he located <br/>
both the<br/>
&gt; Macomb and<br/>
&gt; the Johnston Monuments. He describes the Johnston <br/>
monument as a circular<br/>
&gt; trench 24 ft diam, 6 inches deep and 2 feet wide with a mound <br/>
at center<br/>
&gt; about 15 ft diam and 1 ft high.  Lying in the mound was a stone <br/>
marked<br/>
&gt; &quot;Major 1874 NM 103d L, 37L&quot; As mentioned above this is <br/>
where Major headed<br/>
&gt; south. He never stopped on his way by the true unmarked <br/>
103rd and the<br/>
&gt; Cimarron Meridian wasn&#39;t born yet.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; I won&#39;t get into the Crawford monuments on the Cimarron <br/>
Meridian.  That<br/>
&gt; will be covered in Part III on NM-OK-TX which may be delayed <br/>
since next<br/>
&gt; Monday I will undergo surgery on my left hip to replace the <br/>
acetabular<br/>
&gt; cup.  The existing cup is 10 years old and has become loose.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; Jack </span></blockquote></div>