Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Oklahoma tri-State corners - Part II
Date: Nov 16, 2002 @ 04:00
Author: jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
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From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:22 PM
To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Oklahoma tri-State corners - Part II


very nice jack

bus&ss indicates that the survey of the cimarron meridian in
1881 by chaney actually reiterated an 1874 survey of it by major
so it is doubly surprising that neither major nor chaney seems to
have determined the intersection of their line with the 37th
parallel line that had been established & reiterated by johnston
clark macomb since 1857
but that not until 1890 did anyone namely preston even find the
point where these overlapping perpendiculars communicated

amazing
like ships passing in the night as well as lost in the desert

or can you or albert white give some better explanation for this
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Michael, bus&ss is right in stating John Major attempted to survey south
on the 103rd meridian, but he was way to far west. Here is what has been
determined from the survey notes:

The Johnston monument was established in 1857, Macomb placed his monument
in 1859, both were way west of the 103rd meridian. In 1872 John J. Major
surveyed the 25th meridian west of Washington south to the 37th parallel
and established the corner between CO and KS. In 1874 John Major surveyed
west on the 37th parallel along the south boundary of CO starting at his
1872 monument. At 55 miles 22 1/2 chains he found the Macomb monument.
At 57 miles 4 1/2 chains he reported finding the Johnston Monument. The
field notes indicate that he ran south 34 miles 40 chains from the Johnston
monument and could not find the Clark northwest corner of Texas, and
therefore set his own monument. It is estimated that he was about 4 miles
west of the true 103rd meridian. Also, remember that Clark was over 2 miles
west of the 103rd, so the whole surveying business was full of errors at
that time.

Chaney and Smith in 1881 were directed to survey the unsurveyed public
lands bounded by KS and CO on the north, the Indian Territory on the east,
TX on the south and NM terr. on the west. This covers land between 36d30'
to 37d N and between 100d and 103d W, and to establish a Principal Meridian
to be known as the Cimarron Meridian. Very detailed instructions as to how
this was to be accomplished were given. The original intention was that
the base line intersection with the meridian (the Initial Point) would be at
36d30' N, 103d W. Actually the base line was not the Texas border (actual
36d30').
Also the place of beginning at 37d,103d was off by about 300 yds too far
north (Albert White comments that Cheney and Smith were surprisingly
accurate in their surveying and he can't understand how they missed hitting
the CO line more accurately).

In 1899-1900, Levi S. Preston was instructed to thouroughly investigate and
retrace all of the previous surveys by Clark, John Major, Chaney and Smith
and others. He was to determine the true conditions and positions of the
Johnston and Macomb monuments and the Darling survey along the 37th
parallel. Preston's report includes information that he located both the
Macomb and
the Johnston Monuments. He describes the Johnston monument as a circular
trench 24 ft diam, 6 inches deep and 2 feet wide with a mound at center
about 15 ft diam and 1 ft high. Lying in the mound was a stone marked
"Major 1874 NM 103d L, 37L" As mentioned above this is where Major headed
south. He never stopped on his way by the true unmarked 103rd and the
Cimarron Meridian wasn't born yet.

I won't get into the Crawford monuments on the Cimarron Meridian. That
will be covered in Part III on NM-OK-TX which may be delayed since next
Monday I will undergo surgery on my left hip to replace the acetabular
cup. The existing cup is 10 years old and has become loose.

Jack