Subject: Re: Berlin maps<br/>
Date: Nov 13, 2002 @ 11:55<br/>
Author: anorak222 (&quot;anorak222&quot; &lt;listen@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1211803210">--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., &quot;Jesper Nielsen&quot; &lt;jesniel@i...&gt; wrote:<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; I have never seen a Berlin map showing both the border and and the <br/>
 </span></blockquote>wall (incuding &quot;nomansland&quot;).<br/>
<br/>
The best I&#39;ve seen is this collection of NVA (East German military) <br/>
maps.<br/>
<br/>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.berliner-mauer.de/karten-archiv/topographischekarten-">http://www.berliner-mauer.de/karten-archiv/topographischekarten-</a><br/>
liste.htm<br/>
<br/>
It seems the person wants to sell these, but not cheap.<br/>
<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; Touristic maps tend to show the wall, while topographic maps only <br/>
 </span></blockquote>the border.<br/>
<br/>
Not really ... Some touristic maps have a drawing of the wall which <br/>
more or less coincides with the border. None of the maps I&#39;ve seen <br/>
depict it geographically correct. The best attempt among those is &quot;Wo <br/>
die Mauer war&quot; / &quot;Where the wall was&quot; (two language versions) by <br/>
Pharus, but it isn&#39;t really accurate either. It only shows the <br/>
location of the &quot;first wall&quot;. Second wall and &quot;no mans land&quot; are not <br/>
depicted.<br/>
<br/>
Regular commercial maps sold in West Berlin will only show the <br/>
border, no geographical features. Many such maps, esp. those printed <br/>
before 1989, show streets and rails in the &quot;no mans land&quot; area as <br/>
intact, even though they were long destroyed. Commercial maps sold in <br/>
East Berlin omit any geographical features close to the border.<br/>
<br/>
Regards</div>