Subject: Locals: was CAUS - #19
Date: Nov 08, 2002 @ 18:18
Author: Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
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Doug,
 
I did not mean to ask the locals where and why is the border this and that!
 
But why is their fence this and that!
 
Talking about locals, on GEEBE we were looking for CZPLSK, and came to a small unguarded open rural CZPL-crossing. But nice marker with border markers and warning signs. A local woman came from PL into CZ, and Ann wanted to interview her about her casual border crossing. And the local claimed there was no border there.
 
Bonus attachment: photo of the CZPL-crossing. No locals on the photo, only foreigners, and Rolf the Finn.
 
Jesper 
 
Jesper  
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Murray
To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - #19

Jesper....
 
With regards to "I think asking the farmers is these questions would share more light than asking the officials, as it's there own property."
 
Remember the rule from the GCEBE:  Locals don't know!
 
Haha!

Doug
 
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - #19

I have notice the same difference between DEDK and the property fences in a few areas. When we visited the Danish Survey Office (www.kms.dk) in charge of the border earlier this year, I asked the question, they didn't have an explanation. They are also in charge the cadestral mapping, and it would be interesting to see these maps.
 
I have enclosed the county's cadastral GIS map, and according to that the boundary line running NS is off the live fence, but according to the enclosed topomap it along the fence.
 
I think asking the farmers is these questions would share more light than asking the officials, as it's there own property.
 
Oh, boundary marker 67 is the southern most DEDK marker. And unfortunaly I don't have a decent photo in the right direction showing the difference.
 
Jesper  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:02 AM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - #19


hmmmm this photo brings up a question that i have had
for a while and mike you seem like the person who
would know the answer

there's always a buffer of a foot or 2 on the US side
of border markers on both CAUS and MXUS. in doug's
photo the american side is obviously private property
(farm) with the fence ending with enough space to
basically walk around the monument. so my questions
are:

1. Does the private property end at the fence in the
photo or at the monument?

2. if the fence is the property line, then what
purpose does a 2 foot federal buffer around the
country serve when access to the monument can be made
from canada? Or, why doesn't the fence jump back out
to the border a few feet past the monument on either
side? why not a circumference around the monument
instead of the buffer zone around the whole country.

3. if the space between the fence and monument is
private property, then what law or agency created the
zone? who has the authority to tell private property
owners where they can place their fence? (I know in
urban areas it is different and there has to be 15 +/-
feet off the border like that for buildings). Do
government authorities have to ask for access over
private land to get to the monument?

it's interesting to me because in these hard economic
times, the cumulative effective of 2 feet of
unproductive land x 5000+ miles of land borders must
equal a huge drain on the economy. hahahaha just
kidding.

and yes mike i did have a wonderful time in Baarle, Ed
is a wonderful host.

vc


--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Doug Murray Productions"
<doug@d...> wrote:
>
> Here's a wider shot of #19 with Mount Baker, WA in
the background.  Note the newly painted base.
>
>
> Doug Murray Productions / Border Films
> CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports
> Vancouver BC   604-728-1407
>
> Best Vancouver excuse for being late for work:
> "A movie was being shot and they detained me for
continuity."


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