Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] the good news from gideons jerusalem bible
Date: Oct 14, 2000 @ 09:03
Author: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
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From: michael donner <m@...>
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Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:16 AM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] the good news from gideons jerusalem bible
> or some highlights anyway
>
>
> first
> & just to make 2 wrongs into a right
> because we can
> here is a serenade to jespers early suggestion & first ever nomination of a
> mountain peak tripoint
> in message 117
> namely tp egypt libya sudan
> which you may recall my poor atlas led me to call doubtful in message 150
> & a good atlas even flatly disallowed in message 662
> but well jesper it now seems you were right the first time about this mt
> uweinat
> for according to gideon its summit is in fact the tp
> bravo
>
>
> second
> & just to extend further our celebration of peak tripoints
> by giving more examples to search for pix of
> gideon actually provides a worldwide list of them
> the first assemblage of any kind of tri country points i have ever seen
> anywhere
> apart from our own tries
> & this in itself is an extra cause to celebrate
>
> so without further ado
> except to note that china kyrgyzstan tajikistan is not among the peak tps
> oops so much for the roof of the world
> but happily it is the westernmost point of china
> & that the book is full of stuff like this
> our first known tri country point extremity
> score about 20 tp peaks named as follows
>
> afghanistan china pakistan
> an unnamed peak or 2 to choose from
>
> afghanistan china tajikistan
> povalo shveykovski
>
> afghanistan iran pakistan
> kuh i malik siah
>
> argentina bolivia chile
> zapaleri
>
> austria czech republic germany
> plockenstein
>
> austria italy slovenia
> patzen peak on mt forno or petzen pec on mt ofen
>
> austria italy switzerland
> piz lad
>
> austria liechtenstein switzerland
> near but probably not precisely at naafkopf peak
>
> bosnia croatia serbia
> orijen
>
> brazil guyana venezuela
> roraima
>
> bulgaria greece macedonia
> tumba or beles or pole
>
> china india nepal
> jongsong
>
> china kazakhstan russia
> kuytun
>
> egypt libya sudan
> uweinat
>
> el salvador guatemala honduras
> montecristo
>
> france italy switzerland
> dolent
>
> guinea ivory coast liberia
> neun
>
> iraq jordan saudi arabia
> anaiza
>
> israel lebanon syria
> hermon
>
> poland slovakia ukraine
> kremenec
>
> rwanda uganda zaire
> sabinio
>
>
>
> third
> & just because it seems so outrageous in light of where we have been since
> message 84
> gideon says there is indeed a tp austria germany switzerland in the
> southeastern section of lake constance 2 miles north of the swiss town of
> alten rhein
> & mapquest shows it there too i might add
>
> this seems to correspond very well with the equidistant point or median
> line junction point we were groping for in message 153
>
> now whether gideon is reporting a fact here or simply taking matters into
> his own hands
> as i proposed we do for purposes of dropping a commemorative buoy
> is anyones guess
> but the caveat by martin in message 754 about eventual outcomes often
> differing from assumptive maritime equidistant tripoints would seem to be
> well taken here in lake constance as well
>
> in any case the question remains
> does gideon know something we & barry dont
> or should we continue to rely on barry about that hole or triarea there
>
> similarly
> gideon says there is indeed also a tp belgium germany holland in the main
> navigation channel or thalweg of the our river
> & mentions no our river condominium between germany & luxemburg
> nor any between germany & belgium
> so he sees no triline or trijoint
> as was also suggested by barry in message 293
> but just an ordinary bedelu tp after all
> as i believe peter sensibly favors also
>
> these data & others mentioned below suggest to me that gideon may have
> occasionally simplified matters in the interest of expediency
> which i gather barry by contrast had no need or reason to do
>
> for i still think barry may well be right & gideon therefore incorrect
> about both of these atchde & bedelu situations
> but perhaps barry or someone can source or clarify these matters further
>
>
>
> fourth & really most exciting for me
> apart from the above lingering uncertainties
> gideon basically agrees with all our tri country point assumptions &
> conclusions in message 597 right down to the western sahara & the de facto
> tripoints on cyprus
> except
> he repeatedly asserts the existence of the botswana namibia zambia zimbabwe
> quadripoint while scarcely whispering that it is actually in dispute
>
> nor would i demur about this additional apparent simplification of his
> since his encyclopedic authority could very well stand to advance the
> maxipoint candidacy of this prospective bwnazmzw point that i too have so
> fondly promoted
>
> but since i have more recently seen on cspan tv the botswana ambassador to
> the united nations say there is still a disagreement about whether his
> country shares with zambia only a common point or a common boundary
> i continue to think it best as well as most diplomatic to follow brownlie
> in his uncertainty here also
> & at least continue to allow for the probability of a short botswana zambia
> boundary between 2 tripoints rather than a bwnazmzw quadripoint only
>
>
>
> fifth
> gideon gives no support for the 1375 french spanish boundary agreement &
> monument reported recently here but holds the line there at no earlier than
> 1659
> while he does claim andorras 1278 boundaries are the oldest extant in the
> world
>
>
>
> finally
> the book is full of other goodies as brendan promised
> like a list of named boundaries that includes red lines & green lines &
> blue lines & even 1 violet line
> plus many great maps & photos
> & it will probably keep me gleaning additional tripoint data for some time
> to come
> which i will endeavor to assemble & report eventually
>
>
> resubmerging
> m
>
>
>
> the encyclopedia of international boundaries
> by gideon biger with ibru
> facts on file 1995
> jerusalem
>
> good book
>
>
>
>
>
>
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