Subject: 2 candidates for oldest boundary monument in the world<br/>
Date: Oct 08, 2000 @ 06:42<br/>
Author: michael donner (michael donner &lt;m@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1393632262">most boundary scholars agree that the modern system of negotiated &<br/>
monumented international boundaries dates only from about the treaty of<br/>
westphalia in 1648 following the thirty years war<br/>
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however <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.esj-lille.fr/atelier/explo/EPOQUE/NEP_06.HTM">http://www.esj-lille.fr/atelier/explo/EPOQUE/NEP_06.HTM</a> shows a<br/>
photo & tells the story in french of a 1375 boundary monument on the french<br/>
spanish border in the pyrenees that is said to have been the focal point of<br/>
an annual ceremony of friendship held without fail ever since this monument<br/>
was first installed according the terms of the treaty of roncal<br/>
<br/>
it is known today as monument 262  or saint martins stone<br/>
in honor of the patron of boundary stones<br/>
as also of drunks & innkeepers<br/>
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but there may also be an even older boundary marker on the other side of france<br/>
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<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://republicaine-lorrain.fr/tourisme/bitche/breintenstein.htm">http://republicaine-lorrain.fr/tourisme/bitche/breintenstein.htm</a> shows a<br/>
photo & tells also in french of a prehistoric druidic monument still<br/>
standing on or near the present alsace lorraine subdivisional boundary<br/>
<br/>
it was renovated with christian art in 1787<br/>
after which it became known as the rock of the 12 apostles or of the 3 peters<br/>
<br/>
apparently it has marked intermittently in its different guises a shifting<br/>
international frontier during many centuries<br/>
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please let me know of any other candidates you may be aware of too<br/>
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m</div>