On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:41:08 -0000, you wrote:

>Andrew quoted the Lateran Treaty:
>>
>> Article 3 indicates that "Italy recognizes the full ownership,
>> exclusive dominion, and sovereign authority and jurisdiction of the
>> Holy See over the Vatican". Key words here are sovereign authority.
>> This creates the Vatican City State.
>
>
>Finish the quote from this Article - you left off the jewels.
>
>Len

The part I did not put in "appurtenances and endowments" which you
describe in a later message as

>"Appurtenances" are smaller things joined to the larger more important
>part - i.e. appendages, properties, and yes, could even include
>exclaves.
>
>Endowments probably wasn't meant to include detached parts - but
>something enhancing the main body.
>
>Paragraphs 14 and thereabouts can cover real property ownership of
>buidings, without talking of sovereignty at all, because the Italian
>state could have kept real property ownership of a building while
>giving the Vatican sovereignty over the land on which it sits. At
>that point, Italy would own property in another country; the Vatican
>would then have to decide if it wanted to make an agreement with Italy
>to make the ground in the exclave on which the building sits into an
>extraterritorial area. This is why I think you have to turn to
>Articles 1-4 as the more appropriate places to get a legal reading on
>this issue.

To me "appurtenances and endowments" means to me the buildings in The
Vatican, the art work in The Vatican, the cars, etc. in other words
everything but the land of The Vatican.

With regards to your comments on Article 14, it seems a convoluted way
to describe sovereignty and ownership of the external sites. These
could have easily been covered in Article 3. But there were not and in
Article 14 we just refer to ownership.

Maybe we should agree to disagree on this or wait until someone like
Brendan give us some insight. As mentioned in the last part of my last
message, as I read the treaty Italy has given up sovereignty in all
but name on these site to the Holy See. It is a matter of
interpretation of what enclave/extraterritorality means to you and me.

I wonder what
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