Subject: Re: Exclaves<br/>
Date: Aug 09, 2001 @ 18:57<br/>
Author: Grant Hutchison (&quot;Grant Hutchison&quot; &lt;granthutchison@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-33583856"><blockquote><span title="ireply">&gt; I am looking for information regarding two Azerbaijani exclaves in <br/>
&gt; northern Armenia called Yukhari Askipara and Barkhudarly (or <br/>
 </span></blockquote>Azatamut <br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; or maybe even different). I have searched the internet but can&#39;t <br/>
 </span></blockquote>find <br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; anything. I would like to know the real names (before and after <br/>
&gt; Armenian occupation), how many people lived here and when were they <br/>
&gt; occupied.<br/>
<br/>
 </span></blockquote>The Azerbaijani names of these enclaves involve special Azeri <br/>
characters. They are spelt:<br/>
<br/>
Barxudarl[dotless i]<br/>
Yuxar[dotless i] [Schwa]skipara<br/>
<br/>
When these characters aren&#39;t available, [dotless i] may be replaced by <br/>
i or (at the end of a word) y. The character [schwa] is an inverted <br/>
lower case e, and it is replaced by ä (UN recommended) or ya. The <br/>
sound now rendered as x in Azeri used to be transliterated as k or kh.<br/>
so part of your problem is the number of different ways these <br/>
placenames can be rendered. Try searching for:<br/>
<br/>
Barxudarli, Barkudarli, Barkhudarli, Barxudarly, <br/>
Barkudarly, Barkhudarly, Barxudali, Barkudali, Barkhudali, Barxudaly, <br/>
Barkudaly, Barkhudaly<br/>
<br/>
The permutations are even more ridiculous for your other enclave, so <br/>
I&#39;d suggest looking at just:<br/>
<br/>
Äskipara, Askipara<br/>
<br/>
I&#39;ve received hits on a majority of these in the past. (Yuxari just <br/>
means &quot;upper&quot; in Azeri - there&#39;s a &quot;lower&quot; Askipara as well, <br/>
situated in Azerbaijan proper.)<br/>
<br/>
Both of these enclaves were occupied by Armenia in the first half of <br/>
1992, after the start of the Nagorno-Karabakh war, and precipitating <br/>
the tit-for-tat Azeri occupation of the Armenian exclave of Artsvashen <br/>
in August 1992.<br/>
<br/>
The maps at the link Rolf gives are great, and have a scale marked on <br/>
them that allows an eyeball estimate of area: Barxudarli ~20 sq. km., <br/>
Yuxari Askipara ~40 sq. km.<br/>
<br/>
As far as I know, neither enclave has changed its name since <br/>
occupation. The southern Azeri exclave in Armenia used to be called <br/>
K[schwa]rki (Kärki, Kyarki), and changed to Tigranashen in 1990, <br/>
*before* independence and war, so I&#39;m not sure if this new name is <br/>
Armenian-imposed or Azeri in origin - both countries have many <br/>
placenames ending in -shen.<br/>
<br/>
Although some folk in this group disagree with me, I&#39;m sure Azatamut <br/>
is *not* the same place as Barxudarli. The GEOnet name server data for <br/>
Azerbaijan locate Barxudarli at 40 59 36 N  45 13 31 E. The data for <br/>
Armenia give Azatamut at 40 58 33 N  45 11 53 E, a couple of <br/>
kilometres to the SW. If you do a web search for Azatamut, you&#39;ll find <br/>
it&#39;s a pretty solidly Armenian town, with election results, a dialing <br/>
code and a campaign to attract foreign industry. So I reckon it lies <br/>
outside the Barxudarli enclave. Certainly it&#39;s a different town.<br/>
<br/>
Grant</div>