Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo research
Date: Jul 25, 2001 @ 14:31
Author: Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
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Thanks Mats, for your most interesting and
breathtaking remarks on the condo areas...
of course, mate, we wouldn't dare coming
home without having taken a lottttttt of pix!
Regards - and : vi ses i CPH...!?
Peter H.
-------Original Message-------
From: Mats Hessman
Date: Wednesday, July
25, 2001 14:59:03
Subject: RE:
[BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo research remarkble book. (It even has a large friendly map printed on the cover :). Here is what is has to say on some specific points: Reference to other condominia -- A note to the concept of a condominium goes as follows: "Zur Frage der Gebietshoheit an gemeinschaftlichen Grenzflüssen finden sich in der einschlägigen Literatur zwei Parallellfälle: a) Huber, Max: Ein Beitrag zur Lehre von der Gebietshohiet an Grenzflüssen. In: Zeitschrift für Völkerrecht und Bundesstaatsrecht I. Bd. Breslau 1907 S. 29-58 und 159-217. b) Plössl, H: Dokumentation über die deutsch-österreischische Staatsgrenze. Bayrisches Landesvermessungsamt (Herausg.) München 1977/1980, Seite 38." This rises the question on a possible condominium along the German-Austrian border, which may very well be the one that Brendan has commented on. Islands in the rivers -- The book says a lot about the islands. To sum it up: the islands of 1816 were divided by the states according to the Protocol of Emmerich. After 1816 several islands have disappeared, and others have formed. The book: "Von den 15 Inseln in Our und Sauer sind also neun Inseln neu entstanden, bei zweien ist es zweifelhaft ob sie alt oder neu sind." "Wie sollten die neuen Inseln zugeordnet werden? Sollten Sie - wie 1816 - über das gemeinschaftliche Hoheitsgebiet hinweg in das Hoheitsgebiet des einen oder des anderen Staates einbezogen werden, oder waren Sie Teil des gemeinschaftlichen Hoheitsgebietes?" "Die Inseln liegen im gemeinschaftlichen Hoheitsgebiet. Ihre Existenz ist mit der Existenz des Flusses untrennbar verbunden. Inseln teilen überlicherweise das rechtliche Schicksal des Flusses. Ist der Fluss ein gemeinschafticher, müssen es auch seine Inseln sein." "Sie [i.e. the islands] sind Teil des gemeinschaflichen Hoheitsgebietes." "Diejenigen Inseln, die sich seit 1816 möglicherweise erhalten haben, können rechtlich nicht anders behandelt werden als Inseln die sich neu gebildet haben." This is a home-made short translation: Nine of the 15 islands in Our and Sauer are new, and another two may be new. Should these new islands be divided between the states, or should they be regarded as part of the condominium? The islands are situated in the jointly owned territory. Their existence is undividedly coupled with the existence of the river. If the river is a condominium, then the islands must belong to that condominium. The islands that may have existed all the way since 1816 could juridically not be treated different from the newly formed islands. Collectors of border markings -- Anyone of you who plan to visit the border area in question, should be aware that there are at least six interesting types of border markings. This has been previoulsy reported by Wolfgang, this is just a reminder that a visit to the condominium is not complete if you do not return with photographs of all kinds of markings. 1. Border stones, some more interesting than others of course. 2. Beautiful brass plates at some bridges. 3. Colorful, not less beautiful, tin plates at other bridges. 4. Circular, cast iron plates where the border crosses dry land at bridge heads, locks, etc. 5. Metal bolts. These seem to be a lot more precious. There are only seven in total; six of them on a cliff north of Vianden, the seventh is in the road at Roth. 6. Wallmarkings. These seem to be present only at the pier at defrlu. Mats ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Yahoo!_BusinessNewsletter/survey.cgi http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/WkiolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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