Belgian topo 1:10 000 43/8 Nord uses the German 1:25000 info in black and
white for the German parts of the map and very detailed colour Belgian
mapping for the Belgian parts. The B258 is not labelled within Belgium.
BW
>From: "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>
>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
>Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:48:19 -0000
>
>A good lesson for me not to believe everything on maps (and
>subsequently post something here): the road is Bundesstrasse 258. On
>the Belgian topo maps I have, all German Bundesstrassen, that should
>have the letter B, get the letter N (like in Belgium) instead. Which
>is absolutely wrong.
>
>(N-numbers in the two hundreds in Belgium are found in Brussels and
>both Belgian provinces of Brabant).
>
>So it is even more like the Dutch N274 than I thought.
>
>Peter S.
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > Btw: The road is the Bundesstrasse 258, meaning it is maintained by
> > Federal services (L means Landstrasse, K means Kreisstrasse,
>meaning
> > they are under Fed. Land and District services, respectively). This
> > road has been named N (=Nationalstrasse) 258 in Belgium, without
> > changing the number. So B258 in de, and N258 in be. As you say, the
> > road is maintained by Germany. A situation not unlike Dutch road
>N274
> > in Germany. I don't know whether this road also has a German
> > designation.
> >
> > Peter S.
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@h...> wrote:
> > > The road junction from Roetgen (west) Monschau (south) and
> > > Lammersdorf(east).
> > > The blank southern area is Belgium proper, the north with the
> > details, the
> > > larger of the two roegten enclaves.
> > > The roads west and eats are German to their edges, then Belgium
> > kicks in.
> > > The traffic island is on top of a hill, so the railway, Belgian,
> > winds
> > > around the hill to the far north, via Lammersdorf then south to
> > Monschau.
> > >
> > > according to the US Geographers "International Boundary Study
>No7,
> > June 30
> > > 1961 Belgium-Germany Boundary":
> > > "Before 1949 the three roads had been in Germany while the
> > territory on all
> > > sides was under Belgian administration. In 1949 the roads were
> > provisionally
> > > transferred to Belgium. The 1958 solution saw the cession of
> > Belgian
> > > territory north of the roads and the return of the two east west
> > segments to
> > > Germany. In turn Germany ceded the north south stretch of highway
> > to
> > > Belgium."
> > > ...
> > > "Since Article 7 of the Bonnb Convention on Relations provides
>that
> > the
> > > final determination of the boundaries of Germany must await a
>peace
> > > settlement of the whole of Germany, these frontier arrangements
>are
> > > necessarily provisional."
> > >
> > > Treaties covering the tripoint to enclaves area are:
> > >
> > > Treaty of Vienna 9 June 1815. In effect 1816-1919 and 1940-45.
> > Basic line of
> > > boundary.
> > >
> > > Boundary Treaty, Prussia and Netherlands, 26 June 1816. Detailed
> > > delimitation of Congress of Vienna treaty boundary.
> > >
> > > Treaty of London, 19 April 1839. Belgian independence.
> > >
> > > Treaty of Versailles, 28 June 1919.Articles 31-35 detached
>Moresnet
> > and
> > > eupen-Malmedy fomr Germany.
> > >
> > > Report of the Belgian-German Boundary Demarcation Commission,
> > Aachen 6 Nov
> > > 1922. Very detailed technical report was published in Moniteur
> > Belge, the
> > > Belgian govt gazette, 7 March 1925 as an annex to the law
> > incorporating the
> > > lands into the Belgian provincial structure.
> > >
> > > Treaty between Be and De, Aachen 10 May 1935. Two small parcels
>of
> > land,
> > > 1.7sq km ceded by Belgium allowing extension of Aachen freight
> > yards.
> > >
> > > Report of the Western German Frontier Demarcation Commission -
> > Southern
> > > Group- Belgian-German Frontier, Arlon (Belgium)9 Sept 1949
> > > 7 parcels of German land provisionally placed under Belgian
> > administration.
> > > 20sq km, 500 inhabitants.
> > >
> > > Treaty between the FRG and the Kingdom of Belgium concerning
> > rectification
> > > of the German-Belgian boundary and other questions, Brussels, 24
> > Sept 1956.
> > > While the 1949 changes had reduced/eliminated some problems of
> > border admin,
> > > customs control, communications and stream polluting, they had
> > created
> > > others. This treaty sought a compromise.
> > >
> > > BW
> > >
> > >
> >
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