Thank you Brendan for that lengthy and informative reply on Indian
affairs great and small. If the Indians are lucky and willing to
accept something from an old colonizer, they might even find some
evidence in the French archives for the Pondicherry boundaries. You
never know what the last governors took with them to La Patrie...
Arif, the position of Italy on the Vatican enclaves follows directly
from the Lateran treaty, as this treaty was concluded between Italy
and the Pope. In the controversy over the Vatican Radio transmitters,
Italy always acknowledged that the Vatican was in control of the
premises. It was the side effects on the 100% Italian soil next to it
that was bothering them. And they made similar threats: if you don't
diminish your broadcasting power, we will do it for you, but much
more rigorously. I.e., we cut the power supply altogether.
So the Vatican enclaves are, in my opinion, something in between a
real and a virtual enclave, as they are not only Vatican property,
but are taken out of Italian sovereignty, although they are not
transferred to full Vatican sovereignty either. They are
truly 'extraterritorial'.
Or am I reading something into the treaty that isn't there?
Peter S.
--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Arif Samad <fHoiberg@y...> wrote:
> Since I started the virtual enclave debate, I feel I
> should say something. I never actually included the
> Vatican enclaves as true virtual enclaves, as I am not
> sure what the Italian position on the areas is.
> However, I generally like to include odd cases like
> Walled City or Vatican enclaves as enclave with an
> asterisk compared to true virtual enclaves like the
> Ecuadorian Cemetery, the Russian memorial etc which
> are obviously owned by one country and governed by
> another.
> Thank you for the basel online maps. Though I saw
> that map site earlier, I was not able to save the map
> of the area. I did e-mail a map of the Basel tripoint
> area from swissgeo though. I am thinking of asking
> you guys to e-mail me a few other maps that I am not
> able to save. Also thank you for finding the Cyprus
> map site.
> The garden near Chandernagore Brendan mentions is
> Goretty. There were many other supposedly French
> gardens and territories until Indian independence, but
> Goretty is the only one that survived as Fully French
> due to its association with Chandernagore. The garden
> seems to survive in the municipal level as part of
> Chandannagore; at least it did until 1971 from when I
> have the map. However, the map is so unclear that I
> might be seeing a totally different line as a
> boundary.
> Some other oddities of former French India is the
> existence of many tiny enclaves in Karaikal, an
> enclave within an enclave near Pondicherry and a joint
> area, also near Pondicherry. The Pondicherry handbook
> mentions that the area was divided between england and
> France as parcels, though it does not mention whether
> the division was over sovereignty or ownership.
> The only non-colonial Indian enclaves I have been able
> to find, besides what Brendan mentions, is two West
> Bengal-Assam enclaves, one on each side.
> I am going to end with a question. Does anybody have
> an idea why it is so normal to have divided islands in
> Scandinavia, but nowhere else.
> Arif
>
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