Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
Date: Apr 18, 2001 @ 22:18
Author: michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., michael donner <m@d...> wrote:
>> still working in the dark for lack of an 1815 treaty of vienna text
>> & still clueless also about any later international agreements that
>could
>> have affected the river condo or condos originally created then
>>
>> but a lucky catch at
>> <http://www.luxembourg.co.uk/fish_border.html>
>>http://www.luxembourg.co.uk/fish_border.html
>> makes the delu river condo on the moselle at schengen aka defrlu
>> which several members have already pointed out with pix & maps
>> seem likely to continue northward
>> first all the way down the moselle to wasserbillig
>> & from there all the way up the tributary river sauer to wallendorf
>> & finally all the way up its tributary river the our to bedelu
>> except in this last case for a very short stretch around vianden
>where the
>> delu boundary leaves the river our
>>
>> this single detour breaks the possible river condo territory into
>two
>> separate pieces
>> & may produce a pair of riparian condo tripoints in the process
>> one just southeast & the other just north of vianden
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>
>It looks like you're right. I have a 1:20k map here of the Vianden
>area, and the points where the border leaves the river Our are at
>boundary marker 47 (north of Vianden) and boundary marker 19 (south of
>Vianden). These boundary markers are likely to be pairs, one on each
>bank. Moreover, because of the large width of the river north of
>Vianden (it is the Bassin Inferieur lake formed by the river dam at
>Vianden), the boundaries are clearly depicted as following both banks,
>thus leaving the condominium in the middle. I find it strange
>(although understandable) that the border obviously changed, because
>the lake certainly wasn't there in 1815, and the borders are following
>the lake shore lines. This is unlike the US example (I believe it was
>in Tennessee) mentioned in this group a couple of days ago. Normally,
>a boundary stays the same, even if a river changes its course, unless
>a new boundary is negotiated. Perhaps that's what has been happening
>in Vianden.
>
>The border situation is all the more obvious, since south of bdy
>marker 47 a municipal sectional border continues southwards through
>the middle of the lake, and across the dam.
>
>I found another nice piece of evidence of the special status of the
>delu boundary rivers. According to
><http://webplaza.pt.lu/public/rleick/BrueckeSchengen.html>
>http://webplaza.pt.lu/public/rleick/BrueckeSchengen.html , on the
>river ferries a right of asylum once existed. When someone that was
>persecuted could reach a ferryboat, he could stay there for six weeks
>and three days, without fear of being arrested. If he succeeded, after
>this time, to make three steps on dry ground, the asylum was renewed
>for six weeks.
>When a persecuted person wanted to go to the other side, the ferryman
>would bring him over, return, and only then take the persecutors on
>board!
>It looks like this is some old law, preceding the condominium of 1815.
>Possibly the condominium solution even so much as succeded the old,
>already existing legal practises at the border rivers.
>
>Peter S.
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