Subject: chdefr before 1871<br/>
Date: Nov 06, 2006 @ 01:08<br/>
Author: aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos &lt;aletheiak@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1478657541">oops pardon my dumb mistake<br/>
for romain actually said<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; &gt; I hope to find the other former tripoint of<br/>
&gt; &gt; Alsace-Lorraine/Elsass-Lothringen, in north, limit<br/>
&gt; &gt; with Luxemburg, between the towns of Russange (57,<br/>
 </span></blockquote>F<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; &gt; [ex-D]) ; Rédange (54, F) and Belvaux (L).<br/>
&gt; &gt; Romain<br/>
 </span></blockquote>which of course means he was talking about a former<br/>
defrlu position<br/>
rather than the former chdefr position i imagined he<br/>
was seeking when i responded with this<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; so i am marvelling that you too have already begun<br/>
&gt; answering the question <br/>
&gt; where indeed was the previous chdefr <br/>
&gt; going backwards in time from 1871<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; & where & when the very first chdefr<br/>
<br/>
 </span></blockquote>oops<br/>
<br/>
but in any case <br/>
just to tie down this loose end i pulled & raised <br/>
to the extent that i can do so now<br/>
the following slow loading historical maps suggest<br/>
chdefr at basel dates perhaps from the dissolution of<br/>
the holy roman empire & the establishment of the<br/>
confederation of the rhine in 1806<br/>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wggerman/map/germanyitaly1803.htm<br/>
or else from the establishment of the german<br/>
confederation in 1815 <br/>
http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/germany/ger1815.gif<br/>
whichever you believe marks the true beginning of the<br/>
true germany<br/>
<br/>
but the tripoint position at basel <br/>
by whatever name it is called<br/>
appears to date from the peace of basel in 1795<br/>
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/Peace_of_Basel.png<br/>
if not even a few years earlier <br/>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~deubadnw/history/maps/d1789.jpg<br/>
http://us.share.geocities.com/vrozn/1789.jpg<br/>
<br/>
reaching back as far as 1780 the position is no longer<br/>
even identifiable<br/>
http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/germany/empire1780.gif<br/>
<br/>
but yikes here it is or seems to be again as early as<br/>
the 16th century <br/>
http://us.share.geocities.com/vrozn/Circles.jpg<br/>
tho what it may really be during that period is an<br/>
entirely different question <br/>
<br/>
for there does not appear to be any continuity of the<br/>
position between the 16th & 18th centuries<br/>
<br/>
tough questions tho<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
 <br/>
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