yes thanx nice going
for i do see both traces now when i pan farther out
but only the gtmx vista is actually relevant to the
new bzgtmx position
whereas the old bzmx vista
or rather veggie line
since thats all it really is
is about 200m too far west for the new tripoint
position
so i have adopted the gtmx vista latitude
about 200 meters south of my earlier try
thanx to your eagle eye
but am staying about 200m east of the meridian of the
bzmx trace
or as shown in the attached revised tripoint
stretching diagram
which leaves me slightly southeast rather than
slightly southwest of my previous try
but still very much within the same cloud
--- Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase <jesper@nicolette.dk>
wrote:
> I wonder if it should not be placed a little SW of
> your cloud. If you look
> at Google Earth again, you clearly see the BZMX and
> MXGT vistas.
>
> This document
>
http://www.sre.gob.mx/cilasur/Assets/Images/informe2003.pdf
> indicated vista as the border.
>
> Jesper
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>
> but
> to continue with the deliberations about where the
> next stop should be
> there is an additional difficulty awaiting us in
> bulgaria
> that wouldnt at all be awaiting us in belize
> unless we slow down & defer bulgaria long enough for
> the iso folks to finally catch up & tell us what to
> call the inherited former bgcsro & bgcsmk tripoints
>
> i mean now that the former serbia & montenegro aka
> cs
> has become serbia & montengro individually
> but with their obligatory new digraphs still
> unannounced
> & indeed so long delayed that we cant be sure theyll
> ever be announced
>
> & tho we have already visited several erstwhile cs
> tripoints fairly comfortably
> by both noting their transformations & nicknaming
> them
> in isofips
> even while awaiting their actually proper names to
> be
> given in pure iso
> & tho we could certainly do so again & again if
> necessary since all the nicknames are already known
> &
> in use
> at least by me
> nevertheless
> any delay in reaching bulgaria will reduce
> accordingly
> our chances of having to extemporize in isofips
> there
> at all
> by the time we do get there
> should the iso folks finally announce the new
> digraphs
> in the interim
>
> so there you have at least another good reason to
> keep
> slowing down
>
> if not to divert immediately to belize
>
> nor is there any really good reason not to detour in
> this way now
> since we have already done so for the similarly
> overlooked bfbjne
>
> & so
> tho i can tell you belize is not entirely without
> her
> own problems
> the resulting attached tripoint stretching diagram
> for
> bzgtmx is based on the known geocoords for the new
> marker position
> or at least the precisely known longitude &
> approximate latitude
> which tho not yet the legally agreed position is
> fairly inescapable
>
> & the formerly supposed position
> aka gtmx marker 107
> is about 200 meters due west
> or roughly a quarter of the length of the stretching
> line shown here
>
> & this extract from message 11319 explains
> everything
> > > > there are actually 2 known markers there
> > > >
> > > > the formerly but wrongly presumptive one
> > > > known as the vertice de aguas turbias
> > > > is probably 190 to 205 meters due west of the
> new one
> > > > & is actually now considered the first border
> marker on gtmx
> > > >
> > > > & this newly presumptive one
> > > > which has already been acknowledged by all 3
> countries
> > > > but awaits long overdue ratifications in an
> uncertain process
> > > > gives guatemala the extra sliver all agree she
> deserves
> > > >
> > > > neither one has ever been the legal tripoint
> tho
> >
> > > both markers are more or less exactly at north
> lat
> 17 deg 49 min
> > >
> > > the old marker
> > > is at west long 89 deg 09 min 06 sec & 749
> thousandths
> > > datum presumably nad27
> > > per united states state dept in ibs number 159
> > >
> > > & the new marker
> > > is at west long 89 deg 09 min 00 sec & 283
> thousandths
> > > datum presumably wgs84
> > > per belizean concession above & joint resurvey
> made in 2001
> > >
> > > if these longitudes are expressed in the same
> datum
> > > then the distance between them would be 190
> meters
>
> &
> before leaving belize
> it is probably a good idea also to at least mention
> the also not yet legally agreed but similarly
> putative
> bzgthn territorial sea tripoint
> if only to suggest that it & the few others of the
> maritime persuasion that are scattered around the
> world can most easily be picked up all at once after
> all the continental world class tripoints have been
> completed
> since none of these salty ones are included in the
> borderbase tour anyway
> & might otherwise create a lot of gratuitous
> confusion
> & difficulty
>
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