See
and
In other words
generally anti-social behaviour has been going on.
Bill,
I agree with your sentiments here - what the hell
is going on?!
>From: "Bill Burke"
<billb@...>
>Reply-To:
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>To:
<BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [BoundaryPoint] border
point
>Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:04:14 -0000
>
>Please let
me know have to join the above group, I am finding the
>current general
output from our group is
disappointing
>
>________________________________
>
>From:
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>[mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Murray/Border
>Films
>Sent: 22 February 2006
04:44
>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re:
[BoundaryPoint] Fwd: Unable to deliver your message
>
>
>Too
bad, Mr. Multiple Personalities....
>
>Many people have left
Boundary Point for the safe harbour of Border
>Point for one reason:
YOU!
>
>There is no reason that your silliness should ruin this
group.
>
>And why, Michael, would you have to create fake
personalities to post
>here. There was never a Donner
ban.
>
>Go away. You and your fake personalities are not
welcome.
>
>
>
>
>jim van dura wrote:
>
> hahaha
> > well it looks like jimi & mmvi have both been
canned
> > from borderpoint
> > tho it is unclear yet
whether it was for taste or
> > content or behaviour
>
>
> > or hopefully some combination of all 3
> >
>
> but here below
> > following the automatic notification
>
> is the rejected post
> > so you can be the judge
>
>
> > be aware tho
> > any multipointing implications in
all this are purely
> > incidental
> > & would only
involve the terminal tripoints of this
> > new eez boundary in any
case
> > with everyones land in both cases
> >
> >
dkelnon & dkelnos respectively
> > from top to bottom
>
>
> >
> > farewell & best wishes to all there
>
>
> > & thanx to all here for being here in any case
>
>
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> > > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:10:55 -0800 (PST)
> > >
From: jim van dura <jimvandura@...>
> > > Subject: Re:
[borderpoint] Re: DKNO signed today
> > > To:
borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > > Right,
and by that definition the continental shelf
> > > includes the
entire EEZ, so, generally, every UNLOS
> > > "continental shelf
boundary" except an "extended"
> > > one
> > > is also
an EEZ boundary. (Hence the distinction. And
> > > you are right
about there being a very few slight
> > > and
> > >
odd exceptions.) Nor, obviously, is this the natural
> > >
continental shelf UNLOS is talking about here, since
> > > THAT
begins at the shoreline and only occasionally
> > > extends 200nm
seaward. In the present case, as
> > > Jesper's map further
suggests by its blue-to-white
> > > coloration of the seas (and
now Peter's too by its
> > > gold), the natural continental
shelves have pretty
> > > much ended before either the EEZ
boundary or the
> > > 200nm
> > > limits are reached
in this area. (Also, I think it
> > > is
> > > clear
that any earlier agreement is still in full
> > > effect unless
specifically changed or revoked.)
> > > Cheers! --Jv
> >
>
> > > --- Anton Zeilinger
<anton_zeilinger@...>
> > > wrote:
> >
>
> > > > Dear "Jim",
> > > >
> >
> > yes, the inner "limit" of an "extended"
> > >
continental
> > > > shelf is the 200
> > > > nm
line. But according to Art 76 UNCLOS "the
> > > > continental
shelf
> > > > comprises the seabed and subsoil of the
submarine
> > > > areas that extend
> > > >
beyond its territorial sea". Thus the continental
> > > > shelf
extends from
> > > > the outer line of the territorial sea
either to
> > > the
> > > > 200 nm or, if
>
> > > the circumstances allow it, beyond that. Thus, up
> >
> > until 200 nm both
> > > > the EEZ (if declared) and
the CS exist parallel.
> > > >
> > > > One
boundary can delimit both, or there can be
> > > > diverging
lines (see
> > > > e.g. Australia/PNG in the Torres Strait) or
just a
> > > > boundary for one
> > > > of the
zones (see e.g. UK/France).
> > > >
> > > >
Since the signatories to the 1920 convention have
> > > >
fishing rights off
> > > > Svalbard/Spitsbergen, it is not
unreasonable to
> > > > assume that they
> > > >
might at least be consulted when there is some
> > > kind
>
> > > of limitation or
> > > > delimitation of these
rights.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> >
> >
> > > > Anton
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, jim van
dura
> > > > <jimvandura@...>
> > > >
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi! As the map
indicates the 200nm limits, this
> > > > could
> >
> > > only be an EEZ boundary. (The inner limit of an
> >
> > > extended continental shelf is the 200nm line
> > >
which
> > > > > marks the outer edge of an EEZ. In areas
like
> > > this
> > > > > where an EEZ is less
than 200nm wide since it
> > > > > terminates at a boundary
with another state,
> > > there
> > > > can
>
> > > > be no extended continental shelf claim or
> >
> > boundary.)
> > > > > And, the news report appears
to indicate this
> > > was
> > > > > indeed a
conventional (i.e., bilateral) "Law of
> > > > the
> >
> > > Sea" agreement. (Nor can I think of any reason
> >
> for
> > > > the
> > > > > other
signatories of Spitsbergen 1920 to have
> > > > gotten
>
> > > > involved with it.) Cheers! --Jimi
> > > >
>
> > > > > --- Anton Zeilinger
<anton_zeilinger@...>
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > Is this an EEZ or a Continental
Shelf
> > > boundary?
> > > > Or
> > >
> > > both?
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > Do you know whether the signatories of the
> > > >
> > Spitsbergen Treaty of
> > > > > > 1920 were
involved in the negotiations in any
> > > > way?
> >
> > > >
> > > > > > Of course, it is unclear
whether the treaty
> > > > applies
> > > > >
> to the EEZ and
> > > > > > CS as well (since it
speaks only of fisheries
> > > > rights
> > > >
> > in the
> > > > > > territorial sea), but a
majority of scholars
> > > and
> > > > > >
signatories appears
> > > > > > to support the notion
that it does, as far as
> > > I
> > > > am
>
> > > > > aware.
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > Anton
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com,
"Jesper
> > > > > > Nielsen/Borderbase"
> > >
> > > <jesper@> wrote:
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Map:
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.um.dk/NR/rdonlyres/42AA838F-904E-46AD-AE2E-
>
> > > > > 611A04922CF4/0/Kortski
> > > > >
> > tseendelbilagtiloverenskomsten160106.pdf
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > Jesper
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > Borderbase - your online
guide to
> > > > international
> > > > > >
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