Subject: its about official wine<br/>
Date: Mar 25, 2001 @ 14:17<br/>
Author: michael donner (michael donner &lt;m@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1529260680"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/sovereignty.html">http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/sovereignty.html</a> presents american<br/>
indian & other nonwestern views of sovereignty & territory<br/>
  even elucidating the islamic perspective that was recently asked about here<br/>
    & especially lots about the popes<br/>
& suggests how the indian tribes  whose sovereignty is already nominally<br/>
recognized by the american government  could easily proceed to become<br/>
independent countries<br/>
<br/>
another site i saw but cant find again now said<br/>
the tribes   per the united states constitution<br/>
are the legal equals of the states<br/>
  & are not really subsumed by any of the states<br/>
since they enjoy a primary federative relationship with the federal government<br/>
just as all the regular 50 states & the territories do<br/>
<br/>
the discussion is interesting in several ways<br/>
but not least for its implications on our global count of world class<br/>
boundary crosses<br/>
which is presently limited to the 2 or 3 cases well known to us<br/>
  but might grow dramatically with native american secessionism<br/>
<br/>
besides<br/>
several reservations have just been found to have at least 1 fragclave each<br/>
& deserve closer scrutiny<br/>
namely<br/>
  campo<br/>
  la posta<br/>
  mesa grande &<br/>
  pauma<br/>
<br/>
& at least one other<br/>
  the pala mission<br/>
was found on topos to contain as many as 6 boundary crosses<br/>
plus<br/>
3 fragexclaves<br/>
2 penefragexclaves<br/>
1 enclave &<br/>
4 peneenclaves<br/>
<br/>
& indeed i was astonished to find about a third of its territory also<br/>
indicated as national forest by the usgs<br/>
which seemed totally surreal to me<br/>
  so i dont know how much of any of this to believe<br/>
<br/>
moreover it may be significant that a pala map of the pala reservation<br/>
  which agrees in many regards & details with the usgs topos<br/>
crops the national forest part off entirely<br/>
& completely ignores all 16 of the critical details enumerated above<br/>
suggesting to me that something funny is going on there<br/>
possibly a land swap that smoothed everything over<br/>
or it could just be their peculiarly streamlined art<br/>
<br/>
but maybe they are lowballing their crosses etc at this time for some reason<br/>
<br/>
or maybe someone is just closing their eyes there a bit<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
also in california the santa rosa indian reservation has 2 or possibly 3<br/>
exclaves<br/>
  also called fragments by our fragmephiles<br/>
& it even sports a phantom boundary cross<br/>
<br/>
  yes  now you see it & now you dont  again<br/>
    depending on which scale at topozone you use<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
the nearby morongo reservation is also suspected of bearing a cross<br/>
but the signs there are still harder to read<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
both are neighbors  & possible checkermates  of the agua caliente<br/>
reservation in palm springs whose 55 crosses lit up an earlier scouting<br/>
mission<br/>
in message 691<br/>
<br/>
m</div>