hahahaha
if you think the mexicans are vague
get a load of the papua new guineans
http://www.thenational.com.pg/0901/column6.htm
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@m...>
wrote:
> Good questions! I rather suspect that the boundary between the state
> jurisdictions and the federal sea is as vague as are many of the boundaries
> between states. Since the Mexicans don't get too terribly concerned about it, I
> don't think I will either.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@y...>
> To: <boundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a
> tripoint ..., etc.
>
>
> > you may be right lowell
> > & the site is down at the moment so i cant check the
> > text
> > but what i think this law really says or at least
> > really means is
> > the federal maritime & littoral zone will extend no
> > more than 20 meters beyond the high tide line & only
> > up beaches with slopes of 30 degrees or less
> >
> > so the federal zone will terminate & the state
> > territories will begin as soon as either 30 degrees of
> > slope or 20 meters of surface distance is reached
> > regardless of which happens first
> >
> > also
> > if you dont think the beach strip is really federal
> > territory
> > but only federal public property
> > then what would the difference be
> > & where do you think the federal maritime territory
> > really terminates
> >
> > somewhere like the high tide line perhaps
> > or somewhere like the low tide line
> > or maybe somewhere else
> > but it becomes necessary to figure out exactly where
> > it does end
> > if not exactly where this law seems to say it does
> > & also to figure out exactly how federal public domain
> > differs from statal public domain
> >
> > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> >
> >> I have studied the portions of the Mexican
> >> Constitution and the 1991 legislation
> >> regarding the Federal Maritime Land Zone. Thanks,
> >> Mike, for the specific
> >> citations.
> >>
> >> Article 27 of the Constitution covers in a general
> >> way the properties and rights
> >> that are reserved in the federal public domain and
> >> the conditions under which
> >> property in the republic may be privately held,
> >> etc., etc.
> >>
> >> Here are my translations of the 3rd and 4th articles
> >> of the 1991 legislation
> >> pertaining to the boundaries of beaches and the
> >> maritime zones:
> >> ______________________________
> >>
> >> 3rd Article. The federal maritime land zone will be
> >> demarcated and delimited
> >> considering the level of maximum high tide observed
> >> during thirty consecutive
> >> days in a time of the year that does not present
> >> hurricanes, cyclones, or winds
> >> of great intensity and is technically propitious for
> >> realizing the works of
> >> delimitation.
> >>
> >> 4th Article. The federal maritime land zone will be
> >> determined solely in areas
> >> that in a horizontal plain present an angle of
> >> inclination of 30 degrees or
> >> less. Concerning the coasts that lack beaches and
> >> present rocky or steep
> >> formation, the Secretariat will determine the
> >> federal maritime land zone inside
> >> a strip of 20 contiguous meters to the marine shore,
> >> solely when the inclination
> >> in said strip is of 30 degrees or less in continuous
> >> form.
> >> ______________________________
> >>
> >> These are all described as "public properties of the
> >> Federation, inalienable and
> >> imprescriptible." Much other ink is expended in
> >> discussing the management of
> >> such zone and its resources, and there are
> >> requirements that the Secretariat
> >> coordinate with the states and municipios. I have
> >> not yet found any specific
> >> reservation of exclusive sovereignty to the federal
> >> government nor denial of the
> >> same to the states. I am not drawing any firm
> >> conclusion at this point, but I
> >> think that the zone is in the federal public domain,
> >> but not necessarily outside
> >> state jurisdiction. That issue aside, however, I
> >> have some conclusions
> >> regarding the boundaries of the zone.
> >>
> >> As I interpret the zone, it reaches up to the
> >> high-tide line on typical
> >> wave-washed beaches. On beachless, rocky, and steep
> >> coasts, it can reach inland
> >> up to 20 meters, but only so far as the slope is
> >> less than 30 degrees. On
> >> coasts where a slope of more than 30 reaches the
> >> water, there is no federal zone
> >> on the land.
> >>
> >> Does anyone agree?
> >>
> >> Lowell G. McManus
> >> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message -----
> >> From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> >> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:59 PM
> >> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Questions Re: first known
> >> legal entry into usa at a
> >> tripoint ..., etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
> >> McManus" <mcmanus71496@m...>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> Mike D.,
> >> >>
> >> >> Can you tell us precisely where in Mexican law is
> >> the specification of the
> >> >> boundary 20 meters inland of the high-tide line,
> >> >
> >> > article 4 here
> >> >
> >>
> > http://portal.semarnat.gob.mx/marco_juridico/reglamentos/mar.shtml
> >> >
> >> >> and the extinction of state
> >> >> sovereignty within the federal zone (rather than
> >> mere federal public land
> >> >> ownership therein)?
> >> >
> >> > article 27 here
> >> >
> >>
> > http://www.ordenjuridico.gob.mx/Constitucion/cn16.pdf
> >> >
> >> > & as i understand all this
> >> > which is perhaps not very well at all
> >> > it is not so much a matter of the extinction of
> >> state sovereignty in 1991
> >> > as of the inalienability of federal sovereignty
> >> since 1917
> >> > & of the explicit assertion or reassertion of full
> >> federal jurisdiction in
> >> > 1991
> >> >
> >> >> Thank you.
> >> >>
> >> >> Lowell G. McManus
> >> >> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >>
> >
> >
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