Subject: Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordermarkers as monuments
Date: Feb 04, 2005 @ 16:55
Author: aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
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> I claim bordermarkers are d o c u m e n t s----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "normally". If they are
> monuments, something is wrong in the
> self-understanding of the nation who
> places them.
>
> But maybe I "fall victim" of a neo-European view of
> the world.
> -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: aletheiak [mailto:aletheiak@...]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Februar 2005 21:28
> An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordermarkers as
> monuments
>
>
>
> indeed wolfgang
> bordermarkers
> a r e
> monuments
>
> & they are also ordinarily called boundary
> monuments
>
>
> i liked your explanation of
> unbroken
> too
> tho it is actually the exact opposite of what mr
> nasarbajew meant
> as he was saying there would be no broken borders
> not no unbroken borders
> hahahahaha
>
> & your equating unbroken with plowed is lovely too
> even if also contrary to common sense
> & even tho my unabridged dictionary & i have never
> heard of that
> uncommon or nonexistent sense either
> of the word plough or plow
>
> but perhaps you can substantiate this
> for it is the second crazy plough claim we have
> heard this week
> hahahaha
>
>
> oh & please do explain what you meant by victim
> too in your
> previous slurry before you proceed to pile on any
> more
> nonsense
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang
> Schaub"
> <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote:
> > Just two examples:
> >
> > 1) The East:
> >
> > If you walk from Simikot / Humla District,
> Western Nepal,
> upwards in the
> > valley of the Humla Karnali Goshi, you will,
> after a few days,
> cross the
> > Nara Lagna pass at 4580 m down into the valley.
> Near the
> hamlet Hilsa the
> > river forms the Nepalese/Tibetan boundary.
> Crossing the river -
> which is
> > easily possible on a bridge, absolutely devoid
> of controls - one
> climbs up a
> > promontory to reach the prominently looking
> Chinese
> "bordermarker", with the
> > characters for "zhong" and "guo" - Land of the
> Middle - facing
> Nepal (!),
> > something which is unusual for Western
> bordermarkers. Not
> only this, but
> > also the fact that the dark-grey concrete pillar
> is about 200 m
> off the
> > river bed indicates it is meant as a "warning"
> against all wild
> barbarians =
> > non-Chinese, to keep off and be impressed.
> >
> > Walking on into Tibet, next came the village
> Sher - 3600 m -
> and a few miles
> > later the bigger village of Kojarnath. Here is
> the first Chinese
> police
> > station, with a timid young Chinese police
> officer holding out in
> his
> > hopeless position among hostile Tibetan locals.
> No controls
> either. Further
> > on, after another few miles, you will reach the
> little town of
> > Purong/Taklakot, where tea is waiting in the
> local guest house.
> Here you
> > will be met by Chinese green-uniform officials
> who will check
> your
> > passports, and, most important, stamp them, will
> have an
> interested look
> > into the smaller bags - the larger rucksacks
> remain
> unchecked. Finally the
> > friendly officials will stand up, together with
> the entire party, for
> an
> > "international friendship" group snapshot
> outside of the office.
> Afterwards
> > you are free to do whatever you like in Tibet -
> provided you find
> something
> > to eat.
> >
> > Sorry, the pictures that I have are in my photo
> album.
> >
> > 2) The Soviet style:
> >
> > You best take the former inner-German border. It
> was
> "ploughed" and
> > "unbroken", to speak in Mr. Nasarbajew's
> terminology.
> Ploughed means there
> > was a broad, staggered security strip, with
> watchtowers and
> shooting ranges,
> > so that anybody trying to cross the border - an
> absolute crime
> in
> > communism - could easily be detected and
> "liquidated".
> Unbroken means it was
> > completely tight, no holes in between. The
> border fortification
> line did not
> > follow the "official" delineation - there have
> been deviations of
> up to
> > several hundred metres. I remember a place in
> Bavaria,
> where, next to the
> > sidewalk of a West German road, there stood the
> East German
> border marker in
> > a deep forest, while the "real" border was far
> away "ploughing"
> through a
> > better controllable back-country area. These
> were places
> where you could
> > take foreign visitors to when they wanted to be
> thrilled by
> stepping into
> > East Germany un-punished.
> >
> > In other words: The boundary fortifications
> served as a
> monument of warning.
> >
> > Wolfgang
>
>
>
>
>
>
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