good point
so any empirical solution will likely yield not a single particular
point
but perhaps only a silly millimeter of truth
but now that i have seen lowell take cone to the cleaners by
exclusively textual means
i think even more promising than any such empirical means
or than the official cartographical means i also suggested last week
would be finding all the pertinent texts
because if we can do that for one prospective megapoint
we ought to be able to do it for all of them
or nearly all
allowing for the unknown to enter again
& in the meantime
i am happy to report i plowed thru rabbit ears pass ok last night
just me & the snow plows i mean
& ate up a lot of gorgeous country in the dark & then by moonlight
but have skirted most of both the snow & the cold
having arrived in somewhat of a promised land
more later
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
<mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> "say
> by halving the empirical width of the road beds
> diagonally across
> the intersection
> or by employing some other still more definitive test
> if possible"
> --> For the fractal people: A road bed is just as
> fractal as a stream bed or shoreline.
>
> --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> >
> > very interesting
> > thanx
> > & no need to be afraid so long as you dont blow
> > reality too far out
> > of proportion
> > & even then no problem really either
> > since even a revoked poetic license can easily be
> > restored
> >
> >
> > indeed the following q&a just came on line from
> > multidimensional
> > reality
> > for today only
> > so here it is again for posterity too
> > as follows
> >
> >
> > is it reality
> > or is it not reality
> >
> > a l l
> > things are reality
> >
> > even if only one is imagining it
> > it is a reality in that the thought has been offered
> >
> > & someone who has the ability to translate that
> > vibration will
> > perceive it
> >
> > it must be fair to say that anything that can be
> > perceived must be
> > reality because as creators your reality depends
> > upon what you are
> > willing to imagine & allow
> >
> >
> > end quote
> >
> >
> > so maybe i was being little hard on those of you i
> > asked to get real
> > the other day
> >
> > it is just that for me
> > the only reality worth trying for here is the
> > multidimensional one
> >
> > & tho multipointing was the original focus of bp
> > it is true that anything goes here now
> > & anything at all lovely is indeed well appreciated
> >
> >
> >
> > now
> > back to the nitty gritty reality
> > i was drawn to a particular quadricounty point
> > probability here in
> > nebraska yesterday
> > namely butler polk seward york aka buposeyo
> > situated just northeast of gresham
> > because it looked like a near miss in my 17dollar
> > delorme nebraska
> > atlas
> > & i was curious to see just how close of a near miss
> > it was
> >
> > this atlas however has since then repeatedly
> > demonstrated its
> > complete inadequacy
> > so luckily i stopped at a library & checked this
> > megapoint out at
> > topozone too before barging ahead
> >
> > & lo & behold
> > usgs shows it not as a near miss at all but as a
> > perfect road
> > centerline cross
> >
> > er
> > not to get too excited yet either tho
> > since the usgs has long since demonstrated its
> > inadequacy too
> >
> >
> > but what was most interesting in the event was that
> > each of the 4
> > corners of this simple road intersection proved to
> > have been
> > signposted with its own pair of street names
> > & the 8 names thus produced for these 2 humble dirt
> > roads were all
> > different
> >
> > yikes
> > quite a scene
> >
> > this 4 signpost situation
> > which is not unique
> > for i have previously encountered it at several
> > other midwestern
> > megapoints
> > finally impressed me this time as being quite
> > significant
> > & nearly sufficient proof for confirming a
> > centerline intersection
> > quadripoint
> > as distinct from some pair of very near miss
> > tripoints
> >
> > & it occurs to me that the only higher level of
> > proof might be to
> > find official roadmaps of all 4 counties agreeing to
> > this point
> >
> >
> > still a final difficulty may be encountered if you
> > try to actually
> > touch or mark the megaconjunction with your big toe
> > there in the dust
> >
> > for then you see that the 4 convergent roads wiggle
> > about quite a
> > bit not only in terms of their bearings but also
> > their widths
> > & to such a degree that the square inch you thought
> > you nailed with
> > your toe
> > might better be expressed as a square foot
> > or even a square yard
> >
> > not that this is really a problem
> >
> > for i suppose the actual governing principle is that
> > the convergent
> > counties all maintain a half share of each road
> > wherever & however it wiggles
> > so the location of the truest available quadripoint
> > can probably be
> > more accurately determined than i actually did by
> > eyeballing it
> >
> > say
> > by halving the empirical width of the road beds
> > diagonally across
> > the intersection
> > or by employing some other still more definitive
> > test if possible
> >
> >
> > & having resolved that nagging issue to my most
> > complete
> > satisfaction ever
> > i am off next to one of my favorite points
> > namely cone on cone
> > or the northeast corner of colorado
> > on the colorado nebraska state line
> >
> > there is some interesting bp history on this point
> > which i will try
> > to dig up on my next computer session
> > after posting this much now
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
> > McManus"
> > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > I'm afraid that Iowa's claim to have cornered the
> > non-Chinese
> > market on loessial
> > > hills is quite a provincially myopic
> > overstatement!
> > >
> > > Loess is a light brown to buff-colored eolian
> > (wind-deposited)
> > soil. It covers
> > > the western two-thirds of Illinois; eastern,
> > southern, and western
> > Iowa;
> > > southeastern Minnesota; northwestern Missouri; the
> > southeastern
> > half of
> > > Nebraska; north-central, northwestern, and
> > southwestern Kansas;
> > far eastern
> > > Colorado, the Oklahoma panhandle; and much of the
> > Texas
> > panhandle. A notable
> > > band of loess 20 to 40 miles wide also extends
> > southward from
> > Illinois through
> > > Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, and slightly
> > into Louisiana
> > along the east
> > > sides of the Mississippi River and Yazoo River
> > valleys. There are
> > other
> > > loessial deposits in southeastern Washington and
> > neighboring areas
> > of Idaho and
> > > Oregon.
> > >
> > > Most of these loessial areas are relatively flat,
> > so loessial
> > hills are indeed
> > > rarer than loess. However, practically all of the
> > bluffs along
> > the Mississippi
> > > River are loessial hills, including the famed
> > bluffs of Memphis,
> > Vicksburg, and
> > > Natchez. The Palouse region in the State of
> > Washington, etc. is
> > also an
> > > important area of loessial hills.
> > >
> > > The thing that makes loess form such impressive
> > hills and bluffs
> > (where it's not
> > > flat) is a near vertical angle of repose. This
> > means that a very
> > steep slope,
> > > bluff or cliff will be stable. In fact, an
> > artificially cut slope
> > will
> > > naturally erode to vertical. This is why you will
> > see that
> > highway and railway
> > > cuts in loess country are made vertical from the
> > beginning.
> > >
> > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 1:07 PM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] sidney ia
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > have just been decompressing from all the recent
> > loony eclipse
> > fun
> > > > etc in st louis
> > > > by dead reckoning toward the greater iamone area
> > here on back
> > roads
> > > > which means mainly the lettered highways in
> > missouri
> > > >
> > > > these offer a rare opportunity
> > > > equalled i think only by the byways of wisconsin
> > > > for trying to create words as you go
> > > >
> > > > it isnt as easy as it sounds
> > > >
> > > > rather like playing scrabble with an impossibly
> > bad hand
> > > > plus
> > > > not being allowed to rearrange your tiles
> > > >
> > > > so far my longest word has been keno
> > > >
> > > > i know thats not too impressive yet
> > > > but at least it is the name of something else
> > you can play if you
> > > > prefer
> > > >
> > > > i would like to try for a full sentence next
> > > >
> > > > but make that next time around
> > > > as i have just emerged into iowa
> > > > where this rare literary opportunity no longer
> > exists
> > > >
> > > > what they do have around here is a loess hills
> > scenic byway
> > > > for back roading between riverton & i think
> > akron
> > > >
> > > > & this has caught my fancy too
> > > > so long as the incredibly hard south wind seems
> > to be blowing me
> > > > that way anyway
> > > >
> > > > if i got the story right
> > > > this long strip of western iowa has the only
> > loess hills of any
> > > > significance anywhere outside of central asia
> > > >
> > > > i think the loess must be the smooth milk
> > chocolaty stuff under
> > all
> > > > this corn
> > > >
> > > > for more details & examples of the prevailing
> > dreamscape
> > > > http://www.byways.org/browse/byways/2187
> > > >
> > > > the only question is
> > > > will i blunder into any of the 34 tertiary
> > megapoints of iowa by
> > > > going this way
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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