Subject: Re: andorra-tripoints webpage updated<br/>
Date: Aug 17, 2004 @ 15:08<br/>
Author: aletheiak (&quot;aletheiak&quot; &lt;aletheiak@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-758075521">breathtaking presentations eef<br/>
& state of the art in every way<br/>
<br/>
thank you for setting a bp standard to emulate<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
about adesfre<br/>
from the evidence you present<br/>
i think marker 427 may mark the truest available tripoint<br/>
even tho it is only a bilateral esfr marker<br/>
simply because andorra only exists more or less independently <br/>
at the pleasure of france & spain anyway<br/>
<br/>
but the fact that the majors planted this marker slightly to the <br/>
north of the true pass point seems a bit presumptive of them<br/>
since the most putative position for the tripoint <br/>
until this marker was erected by them<br/>
had been the low point of the pass per se<br/>
had it not<br/>
<br/>
& by missing the pass point here<br/>
& bilaterally declaring their marker the true tripoint marker too<br/>
france & spain are actually trimming off an extra sliver of andorra<br/>
are they not<br/>
<br/>
it seems noteworthy tho that the low point of the portella appears <br/>
to also be marked <br/>
by what appears to be a crude iron post <br/>
perhaps identical to the one that marks the pic de medacorba<br/>
<br/>
so i have to wonder<br/>
could it be that these iron posts are the andorran demarcation <br/>
system<br/>
& could the one on the portella just be an indignant if primitive <br/>
andorran reaction to marker 427<br/>
<br/>
so i would hold open the possibility that there may be not just 2 <br/>
but 3 competing adesfre positions<br/>
<br/>
for in any case<br/>
in light of this extra emphasis by the major powers here at the <br/>
portella<br/>
the persistence of the more southerly variant position you also <br/>
mention & show is also understandable<br/>
& could represent another real alternative<br/>
<br/>
& there also appears in the pix to be another iron post there too<br/>
yikes<br/>
<br/>
so perhaps this is an even more extreme andorran version of <br/>
adesfre<br/>
that france & spain were even more eager to disallow by their <br/>
aggressive monumentation<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
still<br/>
& notwithstanding all this speculation <br/>
further negotiation seems unlikely<br/>
since benign neglect seems to be in the interest of all parties<br/>
<br/>
so we are back to marker 427 as the most authoritative looking<br/>
&or the saddle point immediately below it<br/>
for good measure<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
& about adesfrw<br/>
i am accordingly all the more encouraged to believe in the iron <br/>
post as at least an andorran version of a tripoint marker<br/>
regardless of whether anyone ever pulls the cairn apart to <br/>
investigate further<br/>
but i cant help being curious what else might be found there<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
also <br/>
did you see many other iron posts along the ridges there<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<blockquote><span title="qreply"> --- In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com">BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com</a>, &lt;eefberns@g...&gt; wrote:<br/>
&gt; Some weeks ago I visited (again) both Andorra-tripoints. New <br/>
pictures including panorama&#39;s to be seen at two separate pages <br/>
on the Andorra-tripoints-page at<br/>
&gt; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.grenspalen.nl/archief/index.html">http://www.grenspalen.nl/archief/index.html</a><br/>
&gt;  <br/>
&gt;  <br/>
&gt; Vriendelijke groet, Eef Berns<br/>
&gt;  <br/>
&gt; -----------------------<br/>
&gt; websites:<br/>
&gt; - de grenspalen van Nederland:  www.grenspalen.nl<br/>
&gt; - email-forum over grenspalen: <br/>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grenspalen/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grenspalen/</a><br/>
&gt; - Ivn-Eindhoven: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.dse.nl/ivn">http://www.dse.nl/ivn</a><br/>
&gt; - Passie voor wijn: www.wijnpassie.nl </span></blockquote></div>