Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
Date: Jul 29, 2004 @ 04:36
Author: Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
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hmm wonder what that light colored area is on the
right side of the island...

--- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:

> not really a pic of the map
> which it rather confounds on this detail
> but certainly of the same island
>
> maybe they just need an url change tho
> after all this time & use
>
> pic
>
http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/aero-moersdorf.htm
>
> map
>
http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/moesdorf.htm
>
> but will you be blowing thru this neighborhood again
> next month
>
> then maybe you will be the lucky ones to discover &
> make first contact with our long sought & enormously
> bizarre condo manne people
> so often dismissed as purely fabulous
>
> --- Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...> wrote:
> > Hmm link not working. Is it an aerial photograph
> of
> > the map Peter
> > brought up?
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> > <aletheiak@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > yikes
> > > this may show a structure but i cant be sure
> > >
> >
>
http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/aero
> > > -moersdorf.com
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> "aletheiak"
> > > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > excellent
> > > > thanx
> > > > this is the most promising lead so far
> > > > both in terms of the size of the island & the
> > population density
> > > of
> > > > the neighborhood
> > > >
> > > > it even looks like part of the island may have
> > been deforested
> > > > tho no structures are indicated
> > > >
> > > > any suggestions on writing to this dorf for a
> > local witness
> > > >
> > > > or can we pan up & down the river at this site
> > for other islands
> > > >
> > > > perhaps even an island with a structure
> > indicated on it
> > > > or would that be too much to hope for
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter
> > Smaardijk"
> > > > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > > E.g. this one:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/moe
> > > > sdorf.htm
> > > > > Peter S.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "aletheiak"
> > > > <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > exactly
> > > > > > & the river condo is the joint territory &
> > property of both
> > > > > > governments
> > > > > > so i would imagine any islands in it are
> > also
> > > > > >
> > > > > > unless someone could have bought them
> > > > > >
> > > > > > from both governments to be sure
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but isnt there some fantastic german
> > zoomable map or
> > > > aerial pic
> > > > > > site or something we could use to track
> them
> > all down
> > > > > >
> > > > > > & then inquire locally
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Jesper Nielsen"
> > > > > > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > > > > > I drove along the DELU condo in april
> and
> > so no other
> > > > islands
> > > > > > than small plots of land.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But I wonder if someone owns this land,
> > and if it's
> > > > government
> > > > > > property, and which government?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jesper
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: aletheiak
> > > > > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:10 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided
> > building (DEFR)
> > > > near
> > > > > > DEFRLU
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Peter
> > > > Smaardijk"
> > > > > > > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I think that the condominium is
> formed
> > by the entire
> > > river
> > > > > > > between
> > > > > > > > Luxembourg and Germany, i.e. two
> > stretches, limited
> > > by
> > > > four
> > > > > > > straight
> > > > > > > > lines across the river, and the
> > respective river banks.
> > A
> > > > > > border
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > normally first defined, then marked.
> > The markers were
> > > > > > > therefore
> > > > > > > > placed after it was known where the
> > border was. And
> > > > that
> > > > > > > border was
> > > > > > > > the river bank. Now it is a bit
> > impractical to place
> > > border
> > > > > > > markers
> > > > > > > > half in the water, half on the land,
> > and anyway, the
> > > > border
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > formed by a natural linear feature,
> > namely the river
> > > bank.
> > > > > > Some
> > > > > > > > border markers were placed, but only
> > at more or less
> > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > places, like bridges and
> confluences.
> > And at the
> > > termini
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > condominia, of course. So these
> > markers are bound
> > > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > > witness
> > > > > > > > markers. By the way, there are lots
> of
> > examples of
> > > > border
> > > > > > rivers
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > have the border in the middle of the
> > stream (mostly the
> > > > > > > thalweg),
> > > > > > > > with border markers on both sides
> that
> > equally don't
> > > > mark
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > border
> > > > > > > > exactly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But there are markings that do mark
> > the actual border
> > > > > > > accurately,
> > > > > > > > nevertheless. For instance the round
> > metal plates on
> > > > > > bridges
> > > > > > > and on
> > > > > > > > the former customs house at the
> > Keppeshausen
> > > > > > bridgehead.
> > > > > > > But these
> > > > > > > > are places where manmade features
> > cross into the
> > > > > > > condominium, and the
> > > > > > > > border was probably already fixed at
> > that time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But the border stones alongside the
> > Mosel, Sauer,
> > > and
> > > > Our
> > > > > > > are, I
> > > > > > > > think, not exactly on the border,
> with
> > the exception of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > binational tripoint markers north
> and
> > south of Vianden.
> > > > But
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > not on the tripoints DEDELULU - they
> > are just on
> > > DELU.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Peter S.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In
> BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Jesper
> > > > Nielsen"
> >
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