E.g. this one:
http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/moesdorf.htm
Peter S.
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
wrote:
> exactly
> & the river condo is the joint territory & property of both
> governments
> so i would imagine any islands in it are also
>
> unless someone could have bought them
>
> from both governments to be sure
>
>
> but isnt there some fantastic german zoomable map or aerial pic
> site or something we could use to track them all down
>
> & then inquire locally
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
> <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > I drove along the DELU condo in april and so no other islands
> than small plots of land.
> >
> > But I wonder if someone owns this land, and if it's government
> property, and which government?
> >
> > Jesper
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: aletheiak
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:10 PM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near
> DEFRLU
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
> > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > I think that the condominium is formed by the entire river
> > between
> > > Luxembourg and Germany, i.e. two stretches, limited by four
> > straight
> > > lines across the river, and the respective river banks. A
> border
> > is
> > > normally first defined, then marked. The markers were
> > therefore
> > > placed after it was known where the border was. And that
> > border was
> > > the river bank. Now it is a bit impractical to place border
> > markers
> > > half in the water, half on the land, and anyway, the border
> was
> > > formed by a natural linear feature, namely the river bank.
> Some
> > > border markers were placed, but only at more or less
> > important
> > > places, like bridges and confluences. And at the termini of
> the
> > > condominia, of course. So these markers are bound to be
> > witness
> > > markers. By the way, there are lots of examples of border
> rivers
> > that
> > > have the border in the middle of the stream (mostly the
> > thalweg),
> > > with border markers on both sides that equally don't mark
> the
> > border
> > > exactly.
> > >
> > > But there are markings that do mark the actual border
> > accurately,
> > > nevertheless. For instance the round metal plates on
> bridges
> > and on
> > > the former customs house at the Keppeshausen
> bridgehead.
> > But these
> > > are places where manmade features cross into the
> > condominium, and the
> > > border was probably already fixed at that time.
> > >
> > > But the border stones alongside the Mosel, Sauer, and Our
> > are, I
> > > think, not exactly on the border, with the exception of the
> > > binational tripoint markers north and south of Vianden. But
> they
> > are
> > > not on the tripoints DEDELULU - they are just on DELU.
> > >
> > > Peter S.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
> > <jesniel@i...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > It's a good observasion. I vaguely remember it being
> > disussed
> > > before, either on BP or at GCEBE.
> > > >
> > > > Are all DELU-LU markers (and the binational marker(s)
> > around
> > > Vianden) just witness markers?
> > > >
> > > > There should be a similar map of the northern binational
> > tripoint
> > > somwhere (or perhaps I can find it in my files). We couldn't
> find
> > any
> > > southern binational tripoint markers at Vianden.
> > > >
> > > > Have anybody been close to the northern binational
> marker
> > to see
> > > the inscription?
> > > >
> > > > Jesper
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Michael Kaufman
> > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 4:45 AM
> > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR)
> near
> > DEFRLU
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If the condo border on the DE side is where the river
> meets
> > the
> > > > cement cliff-like sidewalls, then what about the LU side
> of
> > the
> > > > river? The DELU-LU boder proceeds from the
> DELU-FR-LU
> > tripoint
> > > and
> > > > then makes a turn to the right when it reaches a
> monument.
> > But
> > > the
> > > > monument is on land. Does this mean some of the land
> is
> > condo
> > > > territory? Or is the monument a witness marker for the
> > triline?
> >
> >
> > just for the record
> > this question was first answered by peter in message 3151
> >
> > & it was then first asked by jesper in message 3236
> >
> > & finally mats promised to answer it in message 3281
> >
> >
> > but while seeking these original messages just to check my
> > sanity
> > i also chanced again on mats equally excellent messages
> 3312
> > & 3324
> > in which he reported
> > among many other choice details
> > the existence of 15 still extant condo islands
> >
> > real condo land territory
> >
> > places where living or native condoites might be sought
> >
> > if indeed there are any such joint people living anywhere
> > since the demise of moresnet
> >
> >
> > so
> > since the defrlu island has been found to be uninhabited
> > can anyone identify or locate any of the remaining 14 delu
> > islands
> >
> >
> >
> >
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