--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
<smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> I think that there was talk here at BP of BEDENL being a
quintipoint
> for a short period of time, when Neutral Moresnet was still not
> incorporated into Belgium, but the Eupen area was, so that two
areas
> of Belgium met at this point, embracing Neutral Moresnet. Has
this
> ever been proven or refuted?
yes i think you may be referring to message 813
where there is a try at a full chronology of bedenl
as well as a link to a nice map that shows all 5 slices of the
quintipoint pie at once
& i think you may have the sequence reversed here above
since articles 32 & 33 of the treaty of versailles
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/text/versaillestreaty/all440.html
made the former bede condo of moresnet fully belgian
effective immediately on 28 june 1919
while article 34 also made the formerly german county of eupen
& malmedy belgian
but only provided the residents didnt object too much during the
ensuing 6 months
& the wrangling about this actually continued til 1921 or 1922
but of course bedenl was never a quinticountry point
only a quintisomething point at best
even to consider bedenl as a former quadricountry point would
require misconstruing the moresnet bede condo into a country
which of course it never really was
but only a neutral or condominial community
more below
> If the small segment of the circle at BEDENL represents
Neutral
> Moresnet, as I believe it does, then the Eupen area (Neu
Moresnet
> former municipality) falls into the German segment!
>
> Or does this segment include Neutral Moresnet (=Kelmis
former
> municipality) AND Neu Moresnet?
i believe the confusion here is owing to the fact that the 4 slice
pie depicted by the paving stones must date from before
versailles
which means the benl & denl lines there are still correct today
but since eupen is east of moresnet & both are belgian today
contemporary bede is not depicted at all by the paving stones
yikes
nice discovery
more at end
> Cf. http://www.kelmis.be/fr/commune/intro.htm
>
> Peter S.
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Eef Berns"
<eefberns@g...>
> wrote:
> > Yes, that "unnamed division of land " is Moresnet.
> >
> > Cees Damen provides detailed information about Moresnet
on
> www.moresnet.nl
> > Jannis Deeleman specialises in the bordermarkers around
this
> tripoint (www.grenspalen.com), unfortunately only in Dutch
> > On www.grenspalen.nl there's a page on the bordermarkers
of Moresnet
> >
> > The BeDeLu - tripoint has some tourist facilities like
information
> boards, parkings etc. but seems less visited.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Vriendelijke groet, Eef Berns
> >
> > -----------------------
> > websites:
> > - de grenspalen van Nederland: www.grenspalen.nl
> > - email-forum over grenspalen:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grenspalen/
> > - Ivn-Eindhoven: http://www.dse.nl/ivn
> > - Passie voor wijn: www.wijnpassie.nl
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill Burke
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Cc: Peter Hering ; Carsten Schou Jørgensen ; Hans Peter
Nissen ;
> Michael Kaufman ; doug@b...
> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:39 AM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] drelandenpunt belgium
netherlands germany
> >
> >
> > Following a recent visit, (photos to come) I would like some
more
> information ( have there been previous measages regarding
this
> interesting tri-point?). I believe that it was once the worlds only
4
> nation point when Neutaal Moresnet existed. Markings on the
ground at
> this site suggest an unnamed division of land .Is this
Moresnet?
> >
> > The whole are here seems to designed for border fresks,
being a
> tourist area based on the point. Do other tourist type tri points
> exist?
all tripoints are for acutourists
& many tripoint markers depict their boundary conjunctions
but so far as i know
only azconmut & kytnva incorporate similarly elaborate diagrams
in the surrounding pavements