yes you are right lowell & jesper
& as you also know or may imagine
we have been treated to this & similar nonsense many times
over before
but some people do like multiplying irrelevant & bogus claims
& leaping from the fabulous to the fantastic via the land of make
believe
& tho we used to make a point of at least laughing at such
pretensions
it is no longer absolutely necessary to disabuse all pretenders
every single time they pull this sort of thing
for we have already fully established where they are pretending &
where if ever they really are focussing with us on principle
& their extraneous findings & fantasies are not really our
responsibility or concern
any more than say the porn spam we also inadvertently attract
so lately we have just been giving them all a free pass & letting
them ride along on their own hot air
but i must congratulate anyone who ultimately stands up for the
truth anyway
& i wish you will all multiply in this regard
in fact i think all the recent rioting over whether fidelity to our
thematic topic has or should have any more standing here than
the various shades of disregard for it has only multiplied these
further detours not just from the topic but from the truth generally
& we now have not just an occasional & isolated lapse or
digression but more like an entire herd of elephants trampling in
all directions thru the tiny loophole in our constitution that leaves
it perhaps uncertain for any who dont care what bp actually does
stand for
so if you consider all these recent ejaculations in this light you
will see they were just a farce & a pure indulgence to begin with
perhaps in the name of hahaha border hahaha issues
hahahaha
& thats perfectly ok
as everyone should pursue & talk about whatever they like
but i for one am especially grateful whenever anyone brings
common sense & discernment also
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
<lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> There were quite a few British "giveaways of the Realm" during
the
> war. Maybe there was a parliamentary confirmation of the gift
to the
> Yugoslav government. A number of countries occupied by the
Germans
> formed exile governments in England - more than just
embassies for the
> duration. I have a lot stamps cancelled by these exile
governments,
> which used their own nation's stamps as well as some they
prepared in
> exile for the use of their citizens who managed to flee, but have
> cancellation marks that indicated the mail was from exile. The
> Yugoslav grant was obviously different at least to the extent that
it
> or a part of it (a hotel room) that started in the turmoil that
> followed the war and continued to exist. What the nature of its
> status in the '40s was and whether it is now any different than
what
> it was initially is something maybe our UK-based members
can find out.
> Maybe Claridges Hotel knows. I know it isn't a situation like
that
> of the UN HQ, which expands to an exclave in San Francisco
once every
> five years, it's continual even if seemingly dormant for long
periods.
> I doubt if the grant was diplomatic, as though it was attached
to the
> Yugoslav embassy or consular operation in the UK, because
it's very
> purpose was to be a refuge for the former Yugoslav royalty who
were
> stripped of their titles and citizenship by the then-nascent
communist
> state under Tito, whose people in the Embassy across town
would have
> been the royal's enemies. (Of course, we - the USA - did the
same with
> the Baltic states' embassies in D. C. - the accredited exiles
stayed
> in place even though the Russians had "cashed in" the
countries they
> had once belonged to).
>
> A second UK relinquishing of realm properties also occurred
during the
> war - a trade deal with the USA. The US traded warships to
England in
> return for territory in the British run colonies under the Realm in
> the Carribean. We may still have a couple of those - I visited
the
> base areas on Bermuda, but I know they are now gone; the US
gave them
> up voluntarily. The one in Antigua may still be there. These
had a
> very different status than those that the US had, for example, in
> Iceland (which we stil have at Reykjavik) and France, which we
got by
> lease or treaty. Their natures are different from those that were
on
> held over territory from conquests, where the US subsequently
> relinquished sovereign rights of occupiers (as in Germany,
Austria and
> Italy). These Carribbean properties status more resembled
the
> sovereign nature of the US former bases in the Phillippines
and those
> UK bases on Cyprus which were kept after the U.S. colony was
> transmogrified into the Republic we know and love today.
>
> By the way, there are works in progress for another givaway -
the UK
> is contemplating relinquishing sovereigty over parts of it's
realm in
> Cyprus, to contribute to a clearing of the way for reunification of
> Cyprus so it can join the European Union. So, giveways are
still the
> order of the day. There is a very interesting Army or DoD judge
> advocate general manual from the 70s or 80s that goes
through the
> various "statuses" of the property and sovereign rights the US
had on
> various bases at the time. I wish I had it now; I wonder where I
> might locate one.
>
> Regards
>
> LN
>
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
> <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > I've never heard of this "enclave," but it probably had/has
> something on the
> > order of extraterritorial status analogous to that of a
diplomatic
> mission. I
> > seriously doubt that any Prime Minister, not even Churchill,
could
> give away
> > part of the sovereign's realm on his own authority.
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@c...>
> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:58 PM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Yugo exclave in London used again.
> >
> >
> > > The Washington Post ran an article today about the
granting and
> > > restoration of citizenship by the government of Serbia and
Montenegro
> > > (rump-Yugoslavia) to the family of and to Crown Prince
Alexander II.
> > > The prince was stripped of his citizenship by Tito in 1947.
> > >
> > > The ceremony was held in February 2001 in the suite in
Claridge's
> > > Hotel that Churchill declared in 1947 as Yugoslav territory.
The
> > > Prince and his family returned to Belgrade in July 2001
where they now
> > > live in their ancestral palace, according to the article.
> > >
> > > I think the group had a discussion about vertical
sovereignty some
> > > time back, and the suite came up when someone asked
whether Yugoslavia
> > > ended at the floor and ceiling.
> > >
> > > It's interesting that the exclave still fulfills a need once in
> > > awhile. When Yugoslavia isn't using it, and a "foreigner"
stays there,
> > > I wonder if there are any "border" formalities at the door
> > > (immigration control at the concierge or check-in counter?).
Maybe we
> > > have here also a case of Co- or joint or shared
sovereignty? Sterling
> > > accepted (alongside dinars?)
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Len Nadybal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >