Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] CADK
Date: Sep 01, 2003 @ 09:47
Author: Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
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From "INTERNAL LINKS FOR PART B (1945-2000)" at http://www.homestead.com/argumentsandfacts/files/Part_B.htm :

«... This may be another case of how people on the ground get along fine, but governments act like spraying tomcats; the least whiff of a turf challenge can make the fur fly. The border in Smith Sound remained in dispute into the 1970s, with first a Canadian claim on the Carey Islands, and then a quarrel over the nearly invisible Hans Island exactly midways in the channel. The first of these disputes has been settled amicably in Denmark’s favor due to physical proximity.

Hans Island, a flat round speck maybe a mile across, is closer to Alert than Thule, and may still be cause for concern. Canadian scientific and exploration activity has been conducted there in the past, but Denmark's Minister for Greenland personally traveled to the island and planted the flag in 1984. Perhaps the island should be made a neutral zone, free of all taxes and customs? ....»

An another interesting recording is only very briefly mentioning Hans I., from STANDING COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES AND OCEANS of Canada's debate on Wednesday, October 18, 1995. The chairman (in the fifth line from below) suggest to stricken the quotes of "boundary disputes" from the record's transcript, but most probably they simply forgot to do so...!
www.parl.gc.ca/committees/ocea/evidence/ 44_95-10-18/ocea44_blk101.html

«1700
In part I, Canada's maritime zones, you define the four zones and the continental shelf. I believe the only thing that's missing is, when you say whichever is greater...but there's a maximum there.
Dr. Parsons: Yes.
Mr. Wells: So it's not whichever is the greater of the two.
Dr. Parsons: My understanding is that it's a maximum distance of 350 miles. For example, off Newfoundland, the continental shelf -
Mr. Wells: I was just trying to make sure so that when we go back and read the material -
Dr. Parsons: This is highly summarized. I think it's covered in the deck I passed around today, but you're right that it's a highly summarized version.
Mr. Wells: I was confused by something on page 2 of the questions and answers. At the end it says that progress has been made on the development of an international agreement to protect these stocks. Which agreement are you referring to?
Dr. Parsons: Are you dealing with the question of beyond 200 miles?
Mr. Wells: Yes.
Dr. Parsons: This is in fact what Mr. Wiseman was just talking about, which is the highly migratory species and straddling stocks convention.
Mr. Wells: Has that agreement not been reached? I thought it was concluded.
Dr. Parsons: Yes.
Mr. Wells: It says progress has been made. Not only has progress been made, it's been concluded.
Dr. Parsons: In August there was agreement at the UN on this convention. There is a signature process and a ratification process beyond that, which could take some considerable time.
Mr. Wells: You confused me by the wording that says progress has been made.
Dr. Parsons: I apologize.
Mr. Wells: It sounds as though it's ongoing. So that is the same agreement we're referring to.
Dr. Parsons: Yes, it could have been more specific. It could have said that -
Mr. Wells: I thought I might be missing something, that's all.
Mr. Scott: When Mr. Rochon was speaking, he touched on a subject that was near and dear to my heart, so I thought I would jump in with one more question.
You talked about international boundary disputes or border disputes. Do you know basically how many international marine boundary disputes Canada has at the present time, which stage of resolve they're at, and how this bill may affect that?
Mr. Rochon: Certainly I can try to answer that.
On the west coast we have a boundary dispute in Dixon Entrance and we have a boundary dispute in the Strait of Juan de Fuca. Both disputes are with the United States of America. In the Beaufort we have a dispute with the United States, and we have another dispute with the United States in the Gulf of Maine. These are long-standing disputes; there are no negotiations currently on any of these disputes.
There is a dispute in the Lincoln Sea with Denmark, a dispute between Ellesmere Island and Greenland over Hans Island.
I believe that's all we've got. There are no negotiations with Denmark on those issues.
Mr. Scott: I'm a little disappointed to hear you talk about the A-B line as being a boundary dispute, because it was my understanding that was resolved in 1903.
Mr. Rochon: That's also the Government of Canada's understanding, but it is not the Government of the United States' understanding.
Mr. Scott: I would suggest, with all respect, that we don't call it a dispute. The Americans can call it whatever they like, but it's established in the country.
If we start calling it a dispute, it makes our case weaker.
The Chairman: We'll get this stricken from the record. The word ``dispute'' won't be allowed in the last five minutes, in case anybody reads the transcript.
Mr. Scott, is there anything else?
Mr. Scott: That's all.
The Chairman: I think this is a good bill. I think the framework is great, and I think it's going in the right direction. We have all kinds of support from a lot of organizations, from NGOs, some provincial governments, etc. Everybody seems to be happy, but I'm not happy because I'm not quite sure that this bill goes far enough.»

Jan Hans