--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
<lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> I think the answers to the question of their being dry land areas
> within the DE-LUX condo will be answered when we see the
treaty text.
i thought we already knew there are many such dry areas
> I've ordered a copy of the book, and when I have digested it, I'll
> post whatever is there that exposes something.
great
> Also, sometime this week, I'll visit the Border Commission HQ
here in
> DC and ask if a drug runner or people smuggler is captured
under the
> bridge south of the border marker but on the north side of the
river
> if the person is in the U.S. or in Mexico at that point, and I'll let
> you know what they say.
great
you are on the leading edge of this question then
which i think boils down to
where does it actually say
ibwc markers above the river trump the thalweg
> It'll probably be some maneuver words, such as "we have a hot
pursuit
> agreement so the government needn't establish a precedent
by
> ascertaining the answer".
>
> LN
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
<orc@o...> wrote:
> > thanxx twice lowell
> > for even without having seen the maps
> > i am practically certain your analysis is correct
> > & just the latest on our long trail of busted claims
> > of vertically differentiated sovereignty
> > a topic most recently revisited & summarized in messages
9963
> > 9971 9973 9974 9975 9985 9990
> >
> > & similarly your very interesting eagle pass observation or try
> > just like all the other bridge markers along mxus
> > is i think most probably overridden by the accretions of the
river
> > since the unavulsed rio border has been defined & oft
reiterated
> > as the living thalweg or middle of the deepest channel of the
rio
> >
> > & thus
> > unless there is some legal provision here that i am unaware
of
> > like the lithuanian one by which bridges & their markers
trump
> > thalwegs
> > or say one that makes even the misguided & unratified acts
of
> > the ibwc trump the treaty texts & the laws of both countries
> > then i think all mxus bridge markers are technically relict
even as
> > they are being installed
> > since they refer at best to the accurate thalweg position in the
> > past rather than actually marking the present legal reality
> >
> > & the fact that these markers are far more likely to be
observed
> > than the thalweg ever is
> > & are so official looking to boot
> > indeed because they are official
> > makes for a hilarious mass delusion
> > but not yet necessarily for vertically differentiated sovereignty
> >
> > usually the distances involved are so small & ephemeral &
the
> > practical distinctions so nonexistent that nobody notices or
cares
> > & i think that is where the matter presently stands
> >
> > however it does set up a situation in which the vertical
> > differentiation could eventually accrue
> > upon & above the bridges
> > by uti possidetis juris
> > if ever tested & adjudicated that way
> >
> > it is just that we have seen no evidence for this yet
> > & until there is
> > i think we have here & in many other places on the rio & in
the
> > world today illusory or fuzzy borders & the particular illusion of
> > differentiated vertical sovereignty
> > but not yet the actual fact of it
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
McManus"
> > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > L. A. Nadybal wrote:
> > >
> > > > a. There is a piece of land on the France-Condo border
in
> > white.
> > > According to the Legend, the pink is the joint sovereignty
area -
> > and
> > > the piece of land is not in pink, not in Luxembourg proper
and
> > not in
> > > Germany proper, either.
> > >
> > > Actually, the map shows TWO such mystery areas: (1) The
> > end of the island that
> > > sticks from France into the condominium; and (2) the jetty
or
> > wing-wall that
> > > extends twice as far from the lock in France at the left edge
of
> > the lower map.
> > >
> > > Actually, I think these lands and the bridge as well are
within
> > the condominium.
> > > Notice that in the legend, the German and French texts
relating
> > to the condo are
> > > right beside the island and bridge. I think they're saying
that
> > everything
> > > between the pink dashed lines is condo (including
lavender
> > water and white lands
> > > and bridge). All dry DELU boundary lines and those
fronting
> > the condo are shown
> > > as pink dashed lines, and there are none around the white
> > island.
> > >
> > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA