Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
Date: Jun 08, 2003 @ 19:56
Author: Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
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Where does Kupedi/Kudepe go after passing Zaiceva?
 
Does it really flow to EELVRU?
 
Unfortunately it's ouside my map.
 
Attached another map.
 
Jesper
----- Original Message -----
From: Artur Kroc
To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU

> Since Russia had not yet rattified the border, the tripoint is not yet
> defined and so they can only start restoring the EELV border NEAR the
> tripoint.
>
> And since they can only put a marker on land, the physial restoration of
> the border can only happen NEAR the tripoint.
>
> Makes sence?
>
> Jesper
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: acroorca2002
>   To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 6:02 PM
>   Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
>
>
>   yes it does seem likely that the kudedi or kudepi is the same as
>   the laykchne
>
>   in which case monument 1 stands between & just above its
>   confluence with the pedetsi or pededze
>
>   however
>   the tripoint position itself
>   both the actual one if any & the prospective one if any different
>   doesnt appear to be directly addressed in this message at all
>   & evidently remains either unknown or a closely held secret
>
>   & i would have been content to just continue to assume that it
>   falls & will continue to fall at the thalweg junction
>   as some believe the map really indicates anyway
>   according to an arcane cartographical convention
>   despite the position of the vee point actually shown on the west
>   or right bank of the pededze
>
>   but
>   your informant does definitely indicate
>   that the 1990s border restoration began near the tripoint
>   as he says
>   on the right coast
>   of the pededze
>
>   now if the tripoint isnt really on the right coast aka west bank
>   then why bother restoring the border on the west bank
>
>   so i think this express detail
>   in conjunction with the fact that the vee point is actually shown by
>   the map on the west bank
>   cartographic convention notwithstanding
>   may well be most telling of its true location
>   actual as well as prospective
>
>   --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
>   <jesniel@i...> wrote:
>   > Here is what I have received from EE authorities regarding
>   EELV(RU):
>   >
>   > ---
>   >
>   > Thank you for your interest in Estonian international borders.
>   Initial
>   > position of Estonian-Latvian border was defined by a protocol
>   issued by
>   > border arbiter British Colonel Tallents in 1920. The borderline
>   was further
>   > refined by conventions, agreements and protocols signed
>   between Estonia and
>   > Latvia in 1920, 1923 and 1927 as well as by resolutions
>   agreed by
>   > Estonian-Latvian Joint Border Commission. The border built in
>   1922-1927 was
>   > restored in 1992-1999. Adjustments in the actual borderline
>   caused by
>   > changes during the 70-year period were introduced by
>   EstonianLatvian Joint
>   > Border Commission in coordination with local municipalities
>   from both sides.
>   > Rumours that the border splits buildings in the Valga/Valka
>   border town are
>   > a misconception.
>   >
>   > The Estonian-Latvian borderline build in 1922-1927 started
>   from the border
>   > mark no. 1 at the Russian-Estonian-Latvian borders' junction
>   point
>   > (tripoint) situated at the west bank of the Kudepi River and
>   ended at the
>   > mark no. 442 at the coast of Livonian Bay.
>   > Estonia restored the border from the mark no. 46+1379 near
>   the tripoint and
>   > situating on the right coast of the Pedetsi River, to the mark no.
>   219 near
>   > the Valga river. From the mark no. 219 to no. 442
>   (Ainazi/Heinaste) the
>   > border was restored by Latvia.
>   >
>   > Position of the tripoint depends also from Russian Federation.
>   There exist a
>   > preliminary agreement about the triple point, but we cannot
>   publish the maps
>   > about the tripoint as well as border lines around that before
>   this agreement
>   > is accepted by the governments of Estonia and Russia.
>   >
>   > -----------
>   >
>   > But where is Kudedi river?
>   > On the attached map the EELV border river is called something
>   else
>   > (Laykchne?)
>   >
>   > If the border was marked in the 20'es. Can these markers still
>   be found. Or
>   > did the Soviets really remove them?
>   >
>   > Jesper
>
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